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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev>
Cc: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk, git@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	"Rubén Justo" <rjusto@gmail.com>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	rsbecker@nexbridge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 19:09:16 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqo7r0ijdv.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230114224715.ewec6sz5h3q3iijs@phi> (Jacob Abel's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2023 22:47:31 +0000")

Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev> writes:

>> 	git worktree add --orphan -b topic main
>> 	git worktree add --orphan -B topic main
>
> I am hesitant to add these as they break away from the syntax used in
> `git switch` and `git checkout`.

Not that I care too deeply, but doesn't it introduce end-user
confusion if we try to be compatible with "git checkout --orphan
<branch>", while allowing this to be compatible with the default
choice of the branch name done by "git worktree add"?  "--orphan" in
"git checkout" behaves similar to "-b|-B" in that it always wants a
name, but "git worktree add" wants to make it optional.

By the way "--orphan" in checkout|switch wants to take a name for
itself, e.g.

	git checkout --orphan $name [$commit]
	git checkout -b $name [$commit]
	git checkout -B $name [$commit]

so it is impossible to force their "--orphan" to rename an existing
branch, which is probalby a design mistake we may want to fix.

In any case, as I said, I do not care too deeply which way you guys
decide to go, because I think the whole "orphan" UI is a design
mistake that instills a broken mental model to its users [*].

But let's wait a bit more to see which among

(1) git worktree add [[--orphan] -b $branch] $path
    This allows --orphan to act as a modifier to existing -b,

(2) git worktree add [(--orphan|-b) $branch] $path
    This allows --orphan to be another mode of -b, or

(3) git worktree add [--orphan [$branch]|(-b $branch)] $path
    This allows --orphan to default to $(basename $path)

people prefer.


[Footnote]

* I am not saying that it is wrong or useless to keep an unrelated
  history, especially one that records trees that have no relevance
  to the main history like created with "switch --orphan", in the
  same repository.  Allowing "git switch --orphan" to create such a
  separate history in the same repository blurs the distinction.  It
  would help newbies to form the right mental model if they start a
  separate repository that the separate history originates in, and
  pull from it to bootstrap the unrelated history in the local
  repository.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-15  3:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-04  1:02 [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  3:05   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04  4:24     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] builtin/worktree.c: Update checkout_worktree() to use git-worktree Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:32   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  3:58     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 20:45     ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:33   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  4:11     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  5:03   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 16:41     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-10  4:13       ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-10 21:21         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] worktree add: Add unit tests for --orphan Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:37   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  4:17     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  4:33 ` [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04  4:47   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  4:50   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 21:08       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-15 21:29         ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-15 22:35           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16  0:19             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-19  3:13               ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19  3:09             ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  1:44         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22  6:00           ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:09             ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 22:09       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  2:57         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16  0:39     ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-17 10:00       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  3:47         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:48           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-22  5:16             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:26               ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 23:55                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-23  2:47                   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23  2:43                 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-23  5:37                   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23  7:35                     ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-22 14:45           ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-23  4:21             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  8:11         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:55           ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:14             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 22:39               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:43       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  8:35         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:59           ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:16             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 18:35               ` Eric Sunshine
2022-12-12 22:36                 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 22:38               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37       ` [PATCH v5 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37         ` [PATCH v5 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  3:42           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:24             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37         ` [PATCH v5 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  4:00           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:29             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:38         ` [PATCH v5 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  4:19           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21  0:17             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:38         ` [PATCH v5 4/4] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  6:18           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21  0:42             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16         ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16           ` [PATCH v6 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16           ` [PATCH v6 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 12:54             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29  6:51               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 20:48                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06  6:31                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 12:34                     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-07  4:45                       ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:17           ` [PATCH v6 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:17           ` [PATCH v6 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 14:19             ` Phillip Wood
2022-12-28  8:01           ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29  6:38             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:42               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 21:22                 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:58           ` [PATCH v7 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-08  7:13               ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-08 15:08                 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 12:26             ` [PATCH v7 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:11               ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:21                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:26                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32             ` [PATCH v8 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32               ` [PATCH v8 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-13 10:20                 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-13 17:32                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-14 22:47                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-15  3:09                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2023-01-15  3:41                       ` rsbecker
2023-01-15  3:49                         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-18 22:46                           ` 'Jacob Abel'
2023-01-18 22:18                       ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 15:32                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-19 16:32                           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-16 10:47                     ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-18 22:40                       ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 16:18                         ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-19 22:20                           ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 19:20               ` [PATCH v8 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-13 17:34                 ` Junio C Hamano

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