From: Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk, git@vger.kernel.org,
"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
"Rubén Justo" <rjusto@gmail.com>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
rsbecker@nexbridge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 22:18:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230118221745.wovefwx6vhcm3zzk@phi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqo7r0ijdv.fsf@gitster.g>
On 23/01/14 07:09PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev> writes:
>
> >> git worktree add --orphan -b topic main
> >> git worktree add --orphan -B topic main
> >
> > I am hesitant to add these as they break away from the syntax used in
> > `git switch` and `git checkout`.
>
> Not that I care too deeply, but doesn't it introduce end-user
> confusion if we try to be compatible with "git checkout --orphan
> <branch>", while allowing this to be compatible with the default
> choice of the branch name done by "git worktree add"? "--orphan" in
> "git checkout" behaves similar to "-b|-B" in that it always wants a
> name, but "git worktree add" wants to make it optional.
Yes. I think it's a fairly minor degree of confusion but I agree that it adds
potentially unneeded confusion.
>
> By the way "--orphan" in checkout|switch wants to take a name for
> itself, e.g.
>
> git checkout --orphan $name [$commit]
> git checkout -b $name [$commit]
> git checkout -B $name [$commit]
>
> so it is impossible to force their "--orphan" to rename an existing
> branch, which is probalby a design mistake we may want to fix.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "rename an existing branch" here?
Do you mean like `git checkout --orphan $branchname` being able to convert an
existing branch into an orphan/unborn branch?
Also a small point but in an earlier thread [1], we made the decision to model
functionality on `git switch --orphan $branch` instead of
`git checkout --orphan $branch [$commit]`.
>
> In any case, as I said, I do not care too deeply which way you guys
> decide to go, because I think the whole "orphan" UI is a design
> mistake that instills a broken mental model to its users [*].
Understood.
>
> But let's wait a bit more to see which among
>
> (1) git worktree add [[--orphan] -b $branch] $path
> This allows --orphan to act as a modifier to existing -b,
>
> (2) git worktree add [(--orphan|-b) $branch] $path
> This allows --orphan to be another mode of -b, or
>
> (3) git worktree add [--orphan [$branch]|(-b $branch)] $path
> This allows --orphan to default to $(basename $path)
>
> people prefer.
>
I'd personally argue that option 2 (the current behavior) is probably the
cleanest path forward as option 3 requires a bit of awkward code [2] and
`--orphan` is such an esoteric option that the user may only use it once or
twice in the life of a given repository, if that.
And eventually I'd like `git worktree add $path` to "just work" on a new/empty
repository. However as things stand, there wasn't an easy way to do this without
leading to potentially confusing behavior. It can be done, I just haven't taken
the time to figure it out yet.
Once `git worktree add $path` "just works" (when creating the first branch in a
repo), I highly doubt anyone would use `--orphan` often enough to justify the
use of shorthand options 1 or 3.
>
> [Footnote]
>
> * I am not saying that it is wrong or useless to keep an unrelated
> history, especially one that records trees that have no relevance
> to the main history like created with "switch --orphan", in the
> same repository. Allowing "git switch --orphan" to create such a
> separate history in the same repository blurs the distinction. It
> would help newbies to form the right mental model if they start a
> separate repository that the separate history originates in, and
> pull from it to bootstrap the unrelated history in the local
> repository.
Definitely agreed that `--orphan` is esoteric and probably should be avoided by
most users where possible.
1. https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPig+cSVzewXpk+eDSC-W-+Q8X_7ikZXXeSQbmpHBcdLCU5svw@mail.gmail.com/
2. https://lore.kernel.org/git/20230114224956.24801-1-jacobabel@nullpo.dev/
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Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-04 1:02 [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 3:05 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 4:24 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] builtin/worktree.c: Update checkout_worktree() to use git-worktree Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 3:58 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 20:45 ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:33 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 4:11 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 5:03 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 16:41 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 4:13 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-10 21:21 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] worktree add: Add unit tests for --orphan Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:37 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 4:17 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 4:33 ` [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 4:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 4:50 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 21:08 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-15 21:29 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-15 22:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16 0:19 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-19 3:13 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 3:09 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 1:44 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 6:00 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:09 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 22:09 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 2:57 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16 0:39 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-17 10:00 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 3:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:48 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-22 5:16 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:26 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 23:55 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-23 2:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23 2:43 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-23 5:37 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23 7:35 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-22 14:45 ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-23 4:21 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 8:11 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:55 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:14 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 22:39 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:43 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 8:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:59 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:16 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 18:35 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-12-12 22:36 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 22:38 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 3:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:24 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 4:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:29 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:38 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 4:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21 0:17 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:38 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 6:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21 0:42 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 12:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 6:51 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 20:48 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 6:31 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 12:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-07 4:45 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:17 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:17 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 14:19 ` Phillip Wood
2022-12-28 8:01 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 6:38 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:42 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 21:22 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:58 ` [PATCH v7 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-08 7:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-08 15:08 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 12:26 ` [PATCH v7 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:11 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:21 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:26 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32 ` [PATCH v8 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-13 10:20 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-13 17:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-14 22:47 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-15 3:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-15 3:41 ` rsbecker
2023-01-15 3:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-18 22:46 ` 'Jacob Abel'
2023-01-18 22:18 ` Jacob Abel [this message]
2023-01-19 15:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-19 16:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-16 10:47 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-18 22:40 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 16:18 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-19 22:20 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-13 17:34 ` Junio C Hamano
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