From: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
To: Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 23:13:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPig+cRNpGUkRWW=q7-UckceeK0k37ncW-rH38boD=kY2oqLSg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221104164147.izizapz5mdwwalxu@phi>
On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev> wrote:
> On 22/11/04 01:03AM, Eric Sunshine wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 9:07 PM Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev> wrote:
> > Are we sure we want to be modeling this after `git checkout --orphan`?
> > If I understand correctly, that option has long been considered (by
> > some) too clunky, which is why `git switch --orphan` was simplified to
> > accept only a branch name but no commit-ish, and to start the orphan
> > branch with an empty directory. My own feeling is that modeling it
> > after `git switch --orphan` is probably the way to go...
>
> I would argue that the `git checkout --orphan` command format is preferable to
> `git switch --orphan` when creating new worktrees. Reason being that in many
> cases (except when working in a new repo), if you are trying to create a
> worktree from an orphan you will be doing it with a different commit-ish
> currently checked out in your worktree than the one you want to use for the
> orphan (or you aren't in any worktree).
I guess I'm not understanding the use-case being described here or
that this series is trying to address. In my own experience, the very,
very few times I've used --orphan was when I needed a branch with no
existing history (i.e. "orphan") and with no existing files. For that
use-case, `git switch --orphan` is ideal, whereas `git checkout
--orphan` is a bother since it requires manually removing all content
from the directory and clearing the index.
> Requiring the commit-ish to be inferred would limit the user to checking out
> an orphan from an existing worktree (in which case they could just create a
> new worktree normally and use `git switch --orphan` to move that to an orphan
> branch).
I'm not following what you mean by inferred commit-ish. `git switch
--orphan` does not infer any commit-ish; it starts the orphaned branch
with an empty directory, hence there is no commit-ish involved.
The `git switch --orphan` behavior was intentionally implemented to
"fix" what has long been considered (by some) a UX botch in the
behavior of `git checkout --orphan`. It was argued that in the vast
majority of cases, people wanted an orphan branch to mean both "no
history" and "no files". So, in that sense, it feels like a step
backward to adopt `git checkout --orphan` when introducing `git
worktree --orphan`.
But, as I said, I'm genuinely not grasping your use-case, so I'm
having trouble understanding why you consider `git checkout --orphan`
a better model. If you can elaborate your use-case more thoroughly,
perhaps it would help (at least me).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-10 4:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-04 1:02 [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 3:05 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 4:24 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] builtin/worktree.c: Update checkout_worktree() to use git-worktree Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 3:58 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 20:45 ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:33 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 4:11 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 5:03 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 16:41 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 4:13 ` Eric Sunshine [this message]
2022-11-10 21:21 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] worktree add: Add unit tests for --orphan Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 1:37 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04 4:17 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 4:33 ` [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 4:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 4:50 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 21:08 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-15 21:29 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-15 22:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16 0:19 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-19 3:13 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 3:09 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 1:44 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 6:00 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:09 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 22:09 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 2:57 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16 0:39 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-17 10:00 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19 3:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:48 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-22 5:16 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:26 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 23:55 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-23 2:47 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23 2:43 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-23 5:37 ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23 7:35 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-22 14:45 ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-23 4:21 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:42 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 8:11 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:55 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:14 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 22:39 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 1:43 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 8:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:59 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:16 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 18:35 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-12-12 22:36 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 22:38 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 3:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:24 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:37 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 4:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:29 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:38 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 4:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21 0:17 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 2:38 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-20 6:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21 0:42 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:16 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 12:54 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 6:51 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 20:48 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 6:31 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 12:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-07 4:45 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:17 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 6:17 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 14:19 ` Phillip Wood
2022-12-28 8:01 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 6:38 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:42 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 21:22 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:58 ` [PATCH v7 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-08 7:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-08 15:08 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-07 4:59 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 12:26 ` [PATCH v7 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:11 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:21 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:26 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32 ` [PATCH v8 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-13 10:20 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-13 17:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-14 22:47 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-15 3:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-15 3:41 ` rsbecker
2023-01-15 3:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-18 22:46 ` 'Jacob Abel'
2023-01-18 22:18 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 15:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-19 16:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-16 10:47 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-18 22:40 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 16:18 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-19 22:20 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 19:20 ` [PATCH v8 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-13 17:34 ` Junio C Hamano
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