From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
Cc: Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org, me@ttaylorr.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] commit-graph: fix murmur3, bump filter ver. to 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 08:51:52 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqv8gihahz.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <def26c71-0fbb-58a3-f1cd-f8e532b67503@github.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Tue, 23 May 2023 09:00:59 -0400")
Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com> writes:
> I appreciate that you discovered and are presenting a way out of this
> problem, however the current approach does not preserve compatibility
> enough.
> ...
> By changing this algorithm directly (instead of making an "unsigned" version,
> or renaming this one to the "maybe signed" version), you are making it
> impossible for us to ship a version that can read version 1 Bloom filters,
> so all read-only history operations will immediately slow down (because they
> will ignore v1 chunks, better than incorrectly parsing v1 chunks).
>
> Here's where we would ignore v1 filters, instead of continuing to read them
> (with all the risks involved).
I do not know the "all the risks involved" comment. Is the risk
something we can mitigate by still reading v1 data but be careful
about when not to apply the filters?
I may be misremembering the original discussion, but wasn't the
conclusion that v1 data is salvageable in the sense that it can
still reliably say that, given a pathname without bytes with
high-bit set, it cannot possibly belong to the set of changed paths,
even though, because the filter is contaminated with "signed" data,
its false-positive rate may be higher than using "unsigned" version?
And based on that observation, we can still read v1 data but only
use the Bloom filters when the queried paths have no byte with
high-bit set.
Also if we are operating in such an environment then would it be
possible to first compute as if we were going to generate v2 data,
but write it as v1 after reading all the path and realizing there
are no problematic paths? IOW, even if the version of Git is
capable of writing and reading v2, it does not have to use v2,
right? To put it the other way around, we will have to and can keep
supporting data that is labeled as v1, no?
> In order for this to be something we can ship safely to environments that depend
> on changed-path Bloom filters, we need to be able to parse v1 filters. It would
> be even better if we didn't write v2 filters by default, but instead hid it
> behind a config option that is off by default for at least one major release.
Is the concern that we will double the chunk size because both v1
and v2 will be written? Or is it that we will stop writing v1 if we
start writing v2 and switching too early will mean the repositories
will become slower for older implementations that haven't died out?
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-23 23:52 UTC|newest]
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2023-05-22 21:48 [PATCH 0/2] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Jonathan Tan
2023-05-22 21:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] t4216: test wrong bloom filter version rejection Jonathan Tan
2023-05-22 21:48 ` [PATCH 2/2] commit-graph: fix murmur3, bump filter ver. to 2 Jonathan Tan
2023-05-23 13:00 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-05-23 23:00 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-05-23 23:51 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2023-05-24 21:26 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-05-26 13:19 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-05-30 17:26 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-05-23 4:42 ` [PATCH 0/2] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-05-31 23:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Jonathan Tan
2023-05-31 23:12 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-05-31 23:12 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-05-31 23:12 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-06-03 1:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-06-03 2:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-07 16:30 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-07 21:37 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:21 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:21 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] gitformat-commit-graph: describe version 2 of BDAT Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:52 ` Ramsay Jones
2023-06-12 21:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-08 19:21 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:21 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:21 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-06-08 19:50 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Ramsay Jones
2023-06-09 0:08 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-12 21:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-13 17:16 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 17:29 ` [PATCH] CodingGuidelines: use octal escapes, not hex Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 18:16 ` Eric Sunshine
2023-06-13 18:43 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 19:15 ` Eric Sunshine
2023-06-13 19:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-13 19:16 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-06-13 17:39 ` [PATCH v4 " Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 17:39 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] gitformat-commit-graph: describe version 2 of BDAT Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 21:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-20 13:22 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-21 12:08 ` Taylor Blau
2023-06-22 22:26 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-23 13:05 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-13 17:39 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-06-13 17:39 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-06-20 13:28 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-21 12:14 ` Taylor Blau
2023-06-13 17:39 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-06-20 13:39 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-20 18:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-06-13 19:21 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-06-20 13:43 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-20 21:56 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-21 12:19 ` Taylor Blau
2023-06-21 17:53 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-06-22 22:27 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-06-23 13:18 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-07-13 21:42 ` [PATCH v5 " Jonathan Tan
2023-07-13 21:42 ` [PATCH v5 1/4] gitformat-commit-graph: describe version 2 of BDAT Jonathan Tan
2023-07-19 17:25 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-20 20:20 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-21 1:38 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-13 21:42 ` [PATCH v5 2/4] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-07-13 22:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-07-19 17:27 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 17:55 ` [PATCH 0/4] commit-graph: avoid looking at Bloom filter data directly Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 17:55 ` [PATCH 1/4] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: extract `dump_graph_info()` Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 17:55 ` [PATCH 2/4] bloom.h: make `load_bloom_filter_from_graph()` public Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 17:55 ` [PATCH 3/4] t/helper/test-read-graph: implement `bloom-filters` mode Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 17:55 ` [PATCH 4/4] fixup! t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Taylor Blau
2023-07-19 19:24 ` [PATCH 0/4] commit-graph: avoid looking at Bloom filter data directly Junio C Hamano
2023-07-20 20:22 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-13 21:42 ` [PATCH v5 3/4] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-07-19 18:10 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-20 20:42 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:02 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-13 21:42 ` [PATCH v5 4/4] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-07-19 18:24 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-20 21:27 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-26 23:32 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-13 22:16 ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-07-13 22:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-07-14 18:48 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] " Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] gitformat-commit-graph: describe version 2 of BDAT Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: extract `dump_graph_info()` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-26 23:26 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] bloom.h: make `load_bloom_filter_from_graph()` public Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] t/helper/test-read-graph: implement `bloom-filters` mode Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-07-26 23:28 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-07-20 21:46 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-07-25 20:52 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-07-26 20:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-07-27 0:17 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-27 0:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-07-27 17:39 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-07-27 17:56 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-27 20:53 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:08 ` Taylor Blau
2023-08-01 18:52 ` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-03 0:01 ` Taylor Blau
2023-08-03 13:18 ` Derrick Stolee
2023-08-03 18:45 ` Taylor Blau
2023-07-27 18:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 " Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] gitformat-commit-graph: describe version 2 of BDAT Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: extract `dump_graph_info()` Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] bloom.h: make `load_bloom_filter_from_graph()` public Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] t/helper/test-read-graph: implement `bloom-filters` mode Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] t4216: test changed path filters with high bit paths Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] repo-settings: introduce commitgraph.changedPathsVersion Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:41 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] commit-graph: new filter ver. that fixes murmur3 Jonathan Tan
2023-08-01 18:44 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] Changed path filter hash fix and version bump Junio C Hamano
2023-08-01 20:58 ` Taylor Blau
2023-08-01 21:07 ` Junio C Hamano
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