From: Sergey Organov <sorganov@gmail.com>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Matthieu Moy <matthieu.moy@univ-lyon1.fr>
Subject: Re: Can we clarify the purpose of `git diff -s`?
Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 22:32:54 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wn1ezms9.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <645d3dbf785a5_26069229463@chronos.notmuch> (Felipe Contreras's message of "Thu, 11 May 2023 13:10:55 -0600")
Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
> Sergey Organov wrote:
>> Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Sergey Organov wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'd rather think about generic interface for setting/clearing
>> >> (multiple) bits through CI than resorting to such convenience
>> >> tricks. Once that is in place, one will be able to say "I need these
>> >> bits only", "I need to turn these bit(s) on", and "I need to turn
>> >> these bit(s) off" conveniently and universally in any part of Git CI
>> >> where it's needed.
>> >
>> > It's possible to achieve both.
>> >
>> > Imagine your ideal explicit interface. In that interface the default
>> > is no output, so you *have* to specify all the bits, for example:
>> >
>> > git show --patch
>>
>> No, that's not what I meant. There is no point in making "git show" to
>> have no output by default, please see below.
>>
>> >
>> > Or:
>> >
>> > git show --raw
>> >
>> > In this ideal interface it's clear what the user wants to do, because
>> > it's explicit.
>> >
>> > git show --patch --raw --no-patch
>> >
>> > Agreed?
>> >
>> > My proposal achieves your ideal explicit interface, except when no
>> > format is specified (e.g. `git show`), a default format is chosen for
>> > the user, but that's *only* if the user hasn't specified any format.
>>
>> My point is that the default format should be selected as if it has been
>> provided by existing options, rather than by some magic hidden in the
>> code.
>
> But why?
>
> I don't see any benefit, only drawbacks.
>
>> > If you explicitely specify the output format that you want, then the
>> > default is irrelevant to you, thus you have your ideal explicit
>> > interface.
>>
>> That's not what I had in mind, sorry. It'd rather be something like:
>>
>> --raw: set "raw" bit and clear all the rest
>> --+raw set "raw" bit (== current --raw)
>> ---raw clear "raw" bit (== --no-raw)
>>
>> In this model
>>
>> git show
>>
>> would be just an alias for
>>
>> git log -n1 --patch --cc
>>
>> and no support for a separate command would be need in the first place.
>>
>> git show --raw
>>
>> would then produce expected output that makes sense due to the common
>> option processing rules, not because somebody had implemented some
>> arbitrary "defaults" for the command.
>
> But now you are at the mercy of those "arbitrary defaults".
No, see below.
>
> Let's say those defaults change, and now the default output of `git show` is
> `--stat`.
>
> Now to generate the same output you have to do:
>
> git show --raw
>
> in one version of git, and:
>
> git show --no-stat --patch --raw
>
> in another.
No: --raw in my model clears all the flags but --raw, so
git show --raw
will produce exactly the same result: raw output only.
Thanks,
-- Sergey Organov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-11 19:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-11 3:14 Can we clarify the purpose of `git diff -s`? Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 11:59 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-11 16:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-11 17:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-11 18:04 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-11 18:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-11 18:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 18:17 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 17:41 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 18:31 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-11 19:10 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 19:32 ` Sergey Organov [this message]
2023-05-11 19:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 20:24 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-11 20:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-11 22:49 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-11 23:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 8:40 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-12 19:19 ` Felipe Contreras
[not found] ` <5bb24e0208dd4a8ca5f6697d578f3ae0@SAMBXP02.univ-lyon1.fr>
2023-05-12 8:15 ` Matthieu Moy
2023-05-12 17:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 18:21 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-12 19:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 19:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 20:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 20:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 21:01 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 21:47 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 21:48 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 23:21 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 21:41 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-12 22:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2023-05-12 22:47 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-12 23:07 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-13 14:58 ` Philip Oakley
2023-05-13 17:45 ` Sergey Organov
2023-05-12 19:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 19:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2023-05-12 19:17 ` Felipe Contreras
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