* Video conference libification eng discussion, this Thursday 17:00 UTC
@ 2023-06-21 21:55 Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-06-21 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git List
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We're hoping to hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific
(17:00 UTC) via Google Meet.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
(template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: TBD
- Emily
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@ 2023-08-08 17:19 Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-08-08 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git List
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific (17:00 UTC) via Google Meet.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. The notes document contains historical
notes, including for weeks where I forgot to send them :) Please also
add points to the agenda (template follows) if you want to raise
awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested parties or
intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: TBD
See you then!
- Emily
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@ 2023-07-18 19:26 Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-07-18 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git List
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We're hoping to hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific
(17:00 UTC) via Google Meet.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
(template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested parties or
intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: TBD
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@ 2023-07-11 22:58 Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-07-11 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git List, ethomson
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We're hoping to hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific
(17:00 UTC) via Google Meet.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
(template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: TBD
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@ 2023-06-14 16:28 Calvin Wan
2023-06-15 18:31 ` Emily Shaffer
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From: Calvin Wan @ 2023-06-14 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git Mailing List
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We typically hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific (17:00
UTC) via Google Meet.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
(template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: TBD
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2023-06-14 16:28 Calvin Wan
@ 2023-06-15 18:31 ` Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-06-15 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Calvin Wan; +Cc: Git Mailing List
Hi folks, the notes from today follow:
* (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* WIP v3 of unit test project plan is on list
(https://lore.kernel.org/git/c7729b66a42b77dfe9ef61ba7c81e78e00b4021d.1686352386.git.steadmon@google.com/)
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
* [calvinwan] I stuck git-std-lib into Google's monorepo and
built it, Glen built his config patches on top of git-std-lib in
Google's monorepo too, it works, we can call some stuff from our
internal VFS, so yay!
* Patch available upstream Soon(™)
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* (see calvin's topic below)
* [calvinwan] How should compatibility files interact with libraries
in the Makefile? Most files in compat/ only have a dependency on
git-compat-util.h, but there are some files that have higher level
dependencies. For example, on Linux, git-std-lib only needs
compat/strlcpy.c and compat/fopen.c. In the Makefile, COMPAT\_OBJS
already exists and correctly contains the set of files, but also
contains compat/linux/procinfo.c and compat/qsort\_s.c. Neither of
these files are necessary for git-std-lib and while qsort\_s.c is a
harmless inclusion, procinfo.c contains problematic trace2
dependencies. Therefore if a user of git-std-lib attempts to call a
problematic function in procinfo.c, they would encounter build errors.
Under different build settings (eg. on different OSes), it is entirely
possible that certain functions in git-std-lib would break and users
would have to supply their own implementation. To summarize the
problem, I would like to piggyback off existing Makefile logic for
compat files, but also ensure that no problematic files are included
across OSes.
* Currently git-std-lib is a set of files by itself, compat
library is another set built by itself, link against it to make
git-std-lib run
* How do we keep using correct compat libs, make it work across
OS and build system boundaries, without including too much that breaks
in libified world?
* Config.mac.uname could take a flag for git-std-lib for linux,
and we'd have to add another flag for every OS, and then do the same
for every other library, so doesn't scale very nicely.
* Emily: should COMPAT\_OBJS be split into smaller multiple sets?
* Calvin: yeah basically
* Emily: can we just not expose procinfo/qsort\_s via that API
boundary? Is it ok to include too much if it's not used?
* Calvin: I'm worried about git-std-lib working on Linux and
breaking on another system because of the compat stuff not being
populated
* Glen: I suspect we don't want to target all of COMPAT\_OBJS -
stuff like fsmonitor doesn't ever need to go into the std-lib. I think
that's the set of platform-specific stuff we need for the Git binary,
so can we distinguish the set of platform-specific stuff that's needed
for the std lib?
* Calvin: yes, but we'd have to do the same distinguishing for
config, objstore, other libraries. And we'd have to do that across
each OS.
* Glen: but for platforms which don't implement the thing we
want, they'd already have to reimplement the library even to build
normal git?
* E.g. for linux and darwin we can ship the compat stuff with
the git-std-lib and our users can use it; platforms that don't have
the impls will have the same problem they have today.
* If we're correctly defining COMPAT\_OBJS\_LIB in the makefile
then there's not really any makefile modification that needs to happen
* Emily: does git-std-lib + compat-lib cover 100% of business
logic libraries?
* Calvin: but where does procinfo go, for example?
* Glen: if procinfo is just useful for trace2, then we should
include it with trace2, not with everything, right?
* Calvin: for sake of argument, if it's needed in the config
library then it also has to be included by config library, right?
* Glen: isn't it the same as other libification, that we are
moving implementations/dependencies closer to their sole user
libraries?
* Emily: do we see any other problematic dependency chains? Or
is it just this one? If it's just this one that might be ok?
* Calvin: then I think this means we have a makefile where
git-std-lib only includes the bare minimum it needs; at some point
* Emily: i think putting the platform-specific stuff into
git-std-lib keeps with the vision of git-std-lib being the "one stop
shop" for building and running any other git lib, so it would be OK to
include compat stuff not needed just to run git-std-lib code, as long
as it doesn't have a dep on another git library (like procinfo does).
* Randall: does the platform stuff remain in the standard git codebase?
* Emily: everything stays in the git codebase and mailing list
stuff and so on
* Randall: is compat/ moving into the git-std-lib or staying
where it is? Where will the platform stuff live?
* Glen: git-std-lib is a .a that contains the code we think most
lib users will need, and we'll build it from the same git tree that
the rest of the git code lives in
* Randall: procinfo doesn't have any nonstop stuff there, it
would just be a stub for nonstop, want to make sure we can still make
it work
* Emily: procinfo leaves stubs if there's no platform-specific
stuff, so we want to make sure that procinfo still leaves stubs on
e.g. nonstop
* Randall: yeah, and then i can make sure it still works once we
have a series
On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 9:29 AM Calvin Wan <calvinwan@google.com> wrote:
>
> Hello folks,
>
> Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
> Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
> the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
> and casual - no powerpoints here!
>
> We typically hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific (17:00
> UTC) via Google Meet.
>
> To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
> please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
> (template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
>
> We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
> I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
>
> * (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
> * Patches we sent regarding libification
> * Patches for review related to the libification effort
> * (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
> parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
> * (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
> want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
> the meeting.)
> * Session topic: TBD
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* Video conference libification eng discussion, this Thursday 17:00 UTC
@ 2023-05-23 17:23 Emily Shaffer
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From: Emily Shaffer @ 2023-05-23 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Git List
Hello folks,
Google is hosting a standing engineering discussion about libifying
Git, for contributors interested in participating in or hearing about
the progress of this effort. Expect this discussion to be free-form
and casual - no powerpoints here!
We're hoping to hold this meeting every Thursday at 10am Pacific
(17:00 UTC) via Google Meet. Please note the time change from previous
weeks.
To get an invite to the video conference and the notes document,
please reply to this email. Please also add points to the agenda
(template follows) if you want to raise awareness of them.
We'll choose a topic to discuss at the beginning of the meeting, and
I'll reply afterwards with the notes.
* (asynchronous) What's cooking in libification?
* Patches we sent regarding libification
* Patches for review related to the libification effort
* (asynchronous) What happened in the past 1-2 weeks that interested
parties or intermittent contributors need to know?
* (asynchronous) Where are you stuck? What eng discussions do we
want to have? (We'll choose a topic from this list at the beginning of
the meeting.)
* Session topic: <TBD>
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