From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 08:00:04 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805070757170.32269@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080507153538.446693af@core>
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > But my preferred option would indeed be just turning it back into a
> > spinlock - and screw latency and BKL preemption - and having the RT people
> > who care deeply just work on removing the BKL in the long run.
>
> It isn't as if the RT build can't use a different lock type to the
> default build.
Well, considering just *how* bad the new BKL apparently is, I think that's
a separate issue. The semaphore implementation is simply not worth it. At
a minimum, it should be a mutex.
> > Is BKL preemption worth it? Sounds very dubious. Sounds even more dubious
> > when we now apparently have even more reason to aim for removing the BKL
> > rather than trying to mess around with it.
>
> We have some horrible long lasting BKL users left unfortunately.
Quite frankly, maybe we _need_ to have a bad BKL for those to ever get
fixed. As it was, people worked on trying to make the BKL behave better,
and it was a failure. Rather than spend the effort on trying to make it
work better (at a horrible cost), why not just say "Hell no - if you have
issues with it, you need to work with people to get rid of the BKL
rather than cluge around it".
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-07 15:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-06 5:48 AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-06 11:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 11:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-06 12:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 16:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-06 16:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:45 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-06 17:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 16:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-05-06 17:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-06 17:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-06 18:07 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-11 11:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 17:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 6:49 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-06 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 16:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:16 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 19:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 19:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 20:00 ` Oi. NFS people. Read this Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 22:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-05-09 1:43 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-05-08 3:24 ` AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 4:37 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 2:11 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 3:41 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 4:46 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 6:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 7:05 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 11:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 11:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 12:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 14:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-07 15:00 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-05-07 15:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 14:57 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 15:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 16:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 15:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 2:44 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 3:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 4:08 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 4:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 12:01 ` [patch] speed up / fix the new generic semaphore code (fix AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1) Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 12:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 14:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:10 ` [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-08 15:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 19:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-11 11:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 12:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 12:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 15:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 15:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 14:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 15:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-13 21:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 16:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-11 13:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:10 ` Sven Wegener
2008-05-08 16:02 ` [patch] speed up / fix the new generic semaphore code (fix AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1) Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 20:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 20:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 21:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 22:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 22:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-08 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-09 6:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-09 8:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-08 13:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-08 15:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 13:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-08 6:43 ` AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 6:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-08 7:14 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 7:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 8:44 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 9:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 9:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 9:30 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 16:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 13:59 ` Alan Cox
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