From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 07:36:42 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805070728280.32269@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hcdab8zp.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>
On Wed, 7 May 2008, Andi Kleen wrote:
>
> I am aware of that commit, thank you, but the comment was refering to that it
> came with about zero justification why it was done. For the left over BKL
> regions which are relatively short surely a spinlock would be better than a
> semaphore? So PREEMPT_BKL should have been removed, not !PREEMPT_BKL.
I do agree.
I think turning the BKL into a semaphore was fine per se, but that was
when semaphores were fast.
Considering the apparent AIM regressions, we really either need to revert
the semaphore consolidation, or we need to fix the kernel lock. And by
"fixing", I don't mean removing it - it will happen, but it almost
certainly won't happen for 2.6.26.
The easiest approach would seem to just turn the BKL into a mutex instead,
which should hopefully be about as optimized as the old semaphores.
But my preferred option would indeed be just turning it back into a
spinlock - and screw latency and BKL preemption - and having the RT people
who care deeply just work on removing the BKL in the long run.
Is BKL preemption worth it? Sounds very dubious. Sounds even more dubious
when we now apparently have even more reason to aim for removing the BKL
rather than trying to mess around with it.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-07 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-06 5:48 AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-06 11:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 11:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-06 12:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 16:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-06 16:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 16:45 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-06 17:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-06 16:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-05-06 17:21 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-06 17:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-06 18:07 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-11 11:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-06 17:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 6:49 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-06 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 16:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:16 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 17:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 18:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 19:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 19:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 19:24 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 20:00 ` Oi. NFS people. Read this Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 22:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-05-09 1:43 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-05-08 3:24 ` AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 3:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 4:37 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 2:11 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 3:41 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 3:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 4:46 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 6:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 7:05 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 11:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 11:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 12:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 14:36 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-05-07 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-07 15:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 15:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 14:57 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-07 15:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-07 16:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 15:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 2:44 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 3:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 4:08 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 4:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 12:01 ` [patch] speed up / fix the new generic semaphore code (fix AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1) Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 12:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 14:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:10 ` [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 15:33 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-08 15:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 19:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-11 11:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 11:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 12:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 12:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:02 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 15:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 15:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 14:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 15:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-13 21:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 16:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-11 13:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:10 ` Sven Wegener
2008-05-08 16:02 ` [patch] speed up / fix the new generic semaphore code (fix AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1) Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 20:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 20:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 21:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 22:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 22:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:16 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-08 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08 23:27 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-09 6:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-09 8:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-08 13:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-08 15:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 13:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-08 6:43 ` AIM7 40% regression with 2.6.26-rc1 Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 6:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-08 7:14 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 7:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 8:44 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-08 9:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 9:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 9:30 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2008-05-07 16:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 17:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-07 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-07 18:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 13:59 ` Alan Cox
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