From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: "Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail.com>,
"Bagas Sanjaya" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
"Lénaïc Huard" <lenaic@lhuard.fr>,
git@vger.kernel.org, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>,
"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
"Đoàn Trần Công Danh" <congdanhqx@gmail.com>,
"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
"Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] maintenance: optionally use systemd timers on Linux
Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 20:18:03 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <60aafecba4279_8eb820875@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YKrk4dEjEm6+48ji@camp.crustytoothpaste.net>
brian m. carlson wrote:
> On 2021-05-23 at 18:36:10, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > > On Fri, 21 May 2021, Derrick Stolee wrote:
> > > > On 5/21/2021 5:59 AM, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > > > On 21/05/21 05.13, Lénaïc Huard wrote:
> > > > >> The existing mechanism for scheduling background maintenance is done
> > > > >> through cron. On Linux systems managed by systemd, systemd provides an
> > > > >> alternative to schedule recurring tasks: systemd timers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The main motivations to implement systemd timers in addition to cron
> > > > >> are:
> > > > >> * cron is optional and Linux systems running systemd might not have it
> > > > >> installed.
> > > > >> * The execution of `crontab -l` can tell us if cron is installed but not
> > > > >> if the daemon is actually running.
> > > > >> * With systemd, each service is run in its own cgroup and its logs are
> > > > >> tagged by the service inside journald. With cron, all scheduled tasks
> > > > >> are running in the cron daemon cgroup and all the logs of the
> > > > >> user-scheduled tasks are pretended to belong to the system cron
> > > > >> service.
> > > > >> Concretely, a user that doesn’t have access to the system logs won’t
> > > > >> have access to the log of its own tasks scheduled by cron whereas he
> > > > >> will have access to the log of its own tasks scheduled by systemd
> > > > >> timer.
> > > > >
> > > > > For gender neutrality, we can use he/she instead.
> > > >
> > > > Singular "they" is better. Fully accurate and less awkward.
> > >
> > > I agree.
> >
> > I disagree.
>
> I'm fully in support of singular "they".
To each her/his own.
> It provides a useful pronoun to use in this context, is widely
> understood and used, is less awkward than "he/she," and is less sexist
> than the indefinite "he."
I disagree. But I wouldn't presume to dictate how other people speak.
If you like it, use it.
> > > If the singular they was good enough for Shakespeare,
> >
> > Shakespeare:
> >
> > 1. Did not know gammar
> > 2. Invented words as we went along
> > 3. Was no writing prose
>
> The point is that it has been used by native English speakers as part of
> the language for over half a millennium and is widely used and
> understood.
A similar thing happens with the word "nucular" [1]; it is used by
native English speakers as part of the language for many decades and is
widely used and understood.
Does that mean it's a valid word? Maybe.
But does that make "nuclear" invalid? No.
You can use "nucular" if you want (many people do). I will use
"nuclear".
Both can be valid.
> This usage is specified in Merriam Webster[0]:
Merriam-Webster is not infallible.
But fine: let's say they are correct.
Where does it say "they" is *better*? Or worse: where does it say
"his/her" is discouraged?
> > The singular they is a controversial topic[1][2], even among linguists.
> > This is a software project, we must not make decrees about proper use of
> > English language, especially when linguists themselves have not yet
> > fully decided.
>
> Linguists fit roughly into two camps: prescriptive and descriptive.
I am perfectly aware of the two camps, and I have written about it.
> While I am not a linguist, I have a B.A. in English, and my views fit
> firmly into the descriptivist camp.
If you are a descriptivist (as am I), then you must acknowledge that
people use "his/her" *today*.
As a descriptivist you shouldn't dare to _prescribe_ how people use words.
Therefore, if I use "his/her" (as many people do), you should not
prescribe otherwise.
> Since we are writing text for an English language audience who are
> mostly not linguists, we should probably consider using the language
> that most people will use in this context.
Consider, yes. Dictate? No.
And you don't know how *most* most people speak. Your guess is as good
as mine.
> It's completely fine for a contributor to propose that they think an
> idea is better provided that they do so in a respectful and considerate
> way, which I think happened here.
If you say you think **in your personal opinion** that A is better than
B, that's fine.
What was stated here was "A is better". So that's not what happened.
> I think it should be fine to use singular they here. You are, of
> course, free to feel differently.
I do feel differently, but I would not presume to dictate that B is
better; I argue both A and B are fine.
A. he/she
B. they
To be perfectly clear; I'm not saying you shouldn't use B; I'm saying A
is fine.
Cheers.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucular
--
Felipe Contreras
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Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-05-01 14:52 [PATCH] maintenance: use systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-01 20:02 ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-02 5:28 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-02 6:49 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-02 6:45 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-02 14:10 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-05 12:19 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-05 14:57 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-05 12:01 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-09 22:34 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-10 13:03 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-02 11:12 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-03 12:04 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-09 21:32 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-09 21:32 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-10 1:20 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-10 2:48 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-10 6:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-12 0:29 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-12 6:59 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 13:26 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-12 13:38 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-12 15:41 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-10 18:03 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-10 18:25 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-10 20:09 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-10 20:52 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-08 14:55 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-10 19:15 ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-11 14:50 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-11 17:31 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-20 22:13 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-20 22:13 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] cache.h: rename "xdg_config_home" to "xdg_config_home_git" Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-20 23:44 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-20 22:13 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] maintenance: introduce ENABLE/DISABLE for code clarity Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-20 22:13 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-21 9:52 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-20 22:13 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] maintenance: optionally use systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-21 9:59 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-21 16:59 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-05-22 6:57 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-05-23 18:36 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-23 23:27 ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-24 1:18 ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-05-24 7:03 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-24 15:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-25 1:50 ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-05-25 11:13 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-26 10:29 ` CoC, inclusivity etc. (was "Re: [...] systemd timers on Linux") Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-26 16:05 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-27 14:24 ` Jeff King
2021-05-27 17:30 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-27 23:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-28 14:44 ` Phillip Susi
2021-05-30 21:58 ` Jeff King
2021-05-24 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] maintenance: optionally use systemd timers on Linux Felipe Contreras
2021-05-24 7:15 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] add support for " Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-24 7:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-24 9:33 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-24 12:23 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-24 7:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] maintenance: introduce ENABLE/DISABLE for code clarity Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-24 9:41 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-24 12:36 ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2021-05-25 7:18 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-25 8:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-24 9:47 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-24 7:15 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-24 10:12 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-30 6:39 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-30 10:16 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-24 7:15 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-05-24 9:55 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-24 16:39 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-24 18:08 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-26 10:26 ` Phillip Wood
2021-05-24 9:04 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] " Junio C Hamano
2021-06-08 13:39 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-08 13:39 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-08 13:39 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-08 13:40 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-09 9:34 ` Jeff King
2021-06-09 15:01 ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-09 0:21 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] " Junio C Hamano
2021-06-09 14:54 ` Phillip Wood
2021-06-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] maintenance: " Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-14 4:36 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-16 18:12 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-06-17 4:11 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-06-17 14:26 ` Phillip Wood
2021-07-02 15:04 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-06-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-07-02 14:25 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-07-02 14:25 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-07-02 14:25 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-07-06 19:56 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-06 20:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-13 0:15 ` Jeff King
2021-07-13 2:22 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-07-13 3:56 ` Jeff King
2021-07-13 5:17 ` Eric Sunshine
2021-07-13 7:04 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-07-06 21:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2021-08-23 20:06 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-23 22:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-07-02 14:25 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-07-06 20:03 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-02 18:18 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] " Junio C Hamano
2021-07-06 13:18 ` Phillip Wood
2021-08-23 20:40 ` [PATCH v8 " Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-23 20:40 ` [PATCH v8 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-23 20:40 ` [PATCH v8 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-24 17:45 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-23 20:40 ` [PATCH v8 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-24 17:45 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 17:47 ` [PATCH v8 0/3] " Derrick Stolee
2021-08-27 21:02 ` [PATCH v9 " Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-27 21:02 ` [PATCH v9 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-27 21:02 ` [PATCH v9 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-27 23:54 ` Ramsay Jones
2021-08-27 21:02 ` [PATCH v9 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-04 20:54 ` [PATCH v10 0/3] " Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-04 20:54 ` [PATCH v10 1/3] cache.h: Introduce a generic "xdg_config_home_for(…)" function Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-04 20:54 ` [PATCH v10 2/3] maintenance: `git maintenance run` learned `--scheduler=<scheduler>` Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-04 20:55 ` [PATCH v10 3/3] maintenance: add support for systemd timers on Linux Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-07 16:48 ` [PATCH v10 0/3] " Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 11:44 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-09 5:52 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-09-09 19:55 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-27 12:50 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-27 21:44 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-17 17:22 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] " Derrick Stolee
2021-08-17 19:43 ` Phillip Wood
2021-08-17 20:29 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-18 5:56 ` Lénaïc Huard
2021-08-18 13:28 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-18 18:23 ` Junio C Hamano
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