From: Kevin Shanahan <kmshanah@ucwb.org.au>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [git pull] scheduler fixes
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:30:34 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1232287234.4824.43.camel@kulgan.wumi.org.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4972F487.2040002@redhat.com>
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On Sun, 2009-01-18 at 11:21 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> If the host load is low enough, it may be worthwhile to repeat with
> -no-kvm. It's significantly different from kvm (much higher cpu load,
> and less tasks involved), but if the problem recurs, we know it's a pure
> sched issue.
Okay I repeated the test as best I could with the standard 2.6.28 kernel
and "-no-kvm" added to the command lines of all the guests. I couldn't
repeat exactly the same test due to some problems with the guests.
- Two of the XP guests were taking a looong time to complete their
startup and get into idle mode. I waited ~30 minutes for them to
settle, but they were still running with 100% CPU load, so I shut them
down.
- The two linux SMP guests would not boot unless I added "nosmp" to the
kernel command line in grub within the guest. Screenshots of where the
two guests got stuck booting are attached.
Here are the results of the ping test, FWIW:
--- hermes-old.wumi.org.au ping statistics ---
900 packets transmitted, 900 received, 0% packet loss, time 903042ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.388/2.389/73.171/3.685 ms
There's probably a few too many things different with this test compared
to the previous ones, but I guess it does point to the problem being an
interaction between both the scheduler and kvm. It may also be that it
requires smp guests to be running to trigger.
Regards,
Kevin.
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2009-01-11 14:43 [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 20:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17 4:40 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-17 6:29 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 9:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 10:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17 10:34 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 12:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-17 12:19 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 12:43 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-17 13:22 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-17 16:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-17 16:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18 7:45 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18 8:29 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 8:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-18 8:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 9:41 ` Kevin Shanahan
2009-01-18 14:00 ` Kevin Shanahan [this message]
2009-01-18 9:39 ` Kevin Shanahan
2009-01-18 9:55 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-18 10:36 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-17 12:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 15:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-18 14:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-18 15:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-18 18:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-21 12:40 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 16:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-17 16:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-01-17 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2024-04-28 8:24 [GIT PULL] " Ingo Molnar
2024-04-28 8:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-28 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-04-29 7:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2024-04-28 19:28 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-28 12:23 [GIT PULL] Scheduler changes for v6.7 Ingo Molnar
2024-01-08 14:07 ` [GIT PULL] Scheduler changes for v6.8 Ingo Molnar
2024-01-10 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-10 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-10 22:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-11 11:09 ` [GIT PULL] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2024-01-11 13:04 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-10-21 15:28 Ingo Molnar
2023-10-21 18:29 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-14 22:02 Ingo Molnar
2023-10-14 22:49 ` pr-tracker-bot
2023-10-08 9:32 Ingo Molnar
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2023-09-17 17:39 Ingo Molnar
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2023-02-17 7:42 Ingo Molnar
2023-02-17 22:47 ` pr-tracker-bot
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2023-01-12 23:01 ` pr-tracker-bot
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2021-07-11 18:16 ` Linus Torvalds
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2009-05-18 17:09 ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-05-18 19:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-18 20:20 ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-05-24 19:13 ` Pekka Enberg
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2009-05-25 5:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25 5:54 ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-25 8:47 ` Pekka J Enberg
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2009-05-25 11:37 ` Pekka Enberg
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2009-05-25 11:44 ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-25 15:01 ` Matt Mackall
2009-05-25 16:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-25 18:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-25 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-05-25 19:13 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26 1:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-26 7:38 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 12:06 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-28 12:12 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-28 12:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-26 7:33 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 12:04 ` Pekka J Enberg
2009-05-25 12:12 ` Nick Piggin
2009-05-25 14:55 ` Matt Mackall
2009-05-25 14:58 ` Pekka Enberg
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2009-05-25 5:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-25 5:13 ` Yinghai Lu
2009-05-25 5:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-25 7:16 ` Rusty Russell
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2009-01-31 17:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2009-01-31 17:54 ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-01-31 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
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2009-02-05 0:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 22:08 [GIT PULL] " Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 23:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-15 23:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 23:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
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2008-05-08 4:17 ` Linus Torvalds
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2008-05-08 14:43 ` Ingo Molnar
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2008-05-11 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 15:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 15:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-13 14:11 ` Ingo Molnar
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2008-05-13 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-13 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-13 21:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 14:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 16:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-11 13:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 13:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-11 13:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-11 14:10 ` Sven Wegener
2008-05-05 22:58 Ingo Molnar
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2008-05-06 0:24 ` Ingo Molnar
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2008-03-15 1:47 Ingo Molnar
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2008-03-11 22:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-12 1:22 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-07 15:56 Ingo Molnar
2008-03-04 17:07 Ingo Molnar
2008-02-25 15:45 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-18 14:38 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-07 18:21 Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 5:08 Linux 2.6.24-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2007-12-04 14:07 ` [local DoS] " Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 15:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-04 16:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 16:18 ` [git pull] scheduler fixes Ingo Molnar
2007-12-04 16:40 ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 18:28 ` Greg KH
2007-12-04 18:41 ` Luiz Fernando N. Capitulino
2007-12-04 21:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-28 15:10 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-26 20:35 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 20:09 Ingo Molnar
2007-11-09 22:06 Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 20:39 Ingo Molnar
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2007-10-17 14:29 Ingo Molnar
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