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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Z qiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@amd.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, rcu <rcu@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] rcu/tasks: Handle new PF_IDLE semantics
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:34:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTp49M8EskD5JJwA@lothringen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALm+0cW0ZEX_G9WcJx-i3b5SCLECWfeKG+ikdXfXzNsM-XSM8w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 08:15:33PM +0800, Z qiang wrote:
> >
> > Le Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:40:08AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:46:23PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > >
> > > > +/* Check for quiescent states since the pregp's synchronize_rcu() */
> > > > +static bool rcu_tasks_is_holdout(struct task_struct *t)
> > > > +{
> > > > +   int cpu;
> > > > +
> > > > +   /* Has the task been seen voluntarily sleeping? */
> > > > +   if (!READ_ONCE(t->on_rq))
> > > > +           return false;
> > > > +
> > > > +   cpu = task_cpu(t);
> > > > +
> > > > +   /*
> > > > +    * Idle tasks within the idle loop or offline CPUs are RCU-tasks
> > > > +    * quiescent states. But CPU boot code performed by the idle task
> > > > +    * isn't a quiescent state.
> > > > +    */
> > > > +   if (t == idle_task(cpu)) {
> > > > +           if (is_idle_task(t))
> > > > +                   return false;
> > > > +
> > > > +           if (!rcu_cpu_online(cpu))
> > > > +                   return false;
> > > > +   }
> > >
> > > Hmm, why is this guarded by t == idle_task() ?
> > >
> > > Notably, there is the idle-injection thing that uses FIFO tasks to run
> > > 'idle', see play_idle_precise(). This will (temporarily) get PF_IDLE on
> > > tasks that are not idle_task().
> >
> > Ah good point. So indeed the is_idle_task() test doesn't musn't be
> > guarded by t == idle_task(cpu). But rcu_cpu_online() has to, otherwise
> > if it's not an idle task, there is a risk that the task gets migrated out
> > by the time we observe the old CPU offline.
> >
> 
> If a fifo-tasks use play_idle_precise() to run idle and invoke
> do_idle(), may cause
> rcu-tasks to falsely report a rcu-tasks QS

Well, there can be a debate here: should we consider an idle injector as a real
task that we must wait for a voluntary schedule or should we treat it just like
an idle task?

Having that whole idle task quiescent state in RCU-tasks is quite a strange
semantic anyway. And in the long run, the purpose is to unify RCU-tasks and
RCU-tasks-RUDE with relying on ct_dynticks for idle quiescent states.

> , when rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle()
> return true in rcu_sched_clock_irq(), so should we also add a check for
> "current == idle_task(task_cpu(current))" in the rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle()
> ?

That looks fine OTOH. Whether idle injection or real idle,
rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle() is always a quiescent state in real RCU. Because
we know we have no RCU reader between ct_idle_enter() and ct_idle_exit().

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 21:46 [PATCH 0/4] rcu: Fix PF_IDLE related issues v2 Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-24 21:46 ` [PATCH 1/4] rcu: Introduce rcu_cpu_online() Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-25  2:29   ` Z qiang
2023-10-25 10:32     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-24 21:46 ` [PATCH 2/4] rcu/tasks: Handle new PF_IDLE semantics Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-25  8:40   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 10:31     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-26 12:15       ` Z qiang
2023-10-26 14:34         ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2023-10-24 21:46 ` [PATCH 3/4] rcu/tasks-trace: " Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-24 21:46 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Exclude CPU boot code from PF_IDLE area Frederic Weisbecker
2023-10-25  8:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 11:25     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found] <20231027144050.110601-1-frederic@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <20231027144050.110601-3-frederic@kernel.org>
2023-10-27 19:20   ` [PATCH 2/4] rcu/tasks: Handle new PF_IDLE semantics Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-27 21:23     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-27 22:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-27 23:41         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-30  8:21           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-30 20:11             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-31  9:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-31 14:16                 ` Michael Matz
2023-10-31 14:43                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-31 15:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-31 15:55                     ` Michael Matz
2023-10-31 16:23                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-31 16:49                         ` Michael Matz
2023-10-31 17:10                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-31 14:24                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-31 15:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-31 18:12                     ` Paul E. McKenney

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