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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Sebastian Fricke <sebastian.fricke@collabora.com>,
	Shengjiu Wang <shengjiu.wang@nxp.com>,
	hverkuil@xs4all.nl, sakari.ailus@iki.fi, tfiga@chromium.org,
	m.szyprowski@samsung.com, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, shengjiu.wang@gmail.com,
	Xiubo.Lee@gmail.com, festevam@gmail.com, nicoleotsuka@gmail.com,
	lgirdwood@gmail.com, perex@perex.cz, tiwai@suse.com,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 00/16] Add audio support in v4l2 framework
Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 09:42:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240503094225.47fe4836@sal.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZjRCJ2ZcmKOIo7_p@finisterre.sirena.org.uk>

Em Fri, 3 May 2024 10:47:19 +0900
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org> escreveu:

> On Thu, May 02, 2024 at 10:26:43AM +0100, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> > Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@kernel.org> escreveu:  
> 
> > > There are still time control associated with it, as audio and video
> > > needs to be in sync. This is done by controlling the buffers size 
> > > and could be fine-tuned by checking when the buffer transfer is done.  
> 
> ...
> 
> > Just complementing: on media, we do this per video buffer (or
> > per half video buffer). A typical use case on cameras is to have
> > buffers transferred 30 times per second, if the video was streamed 
> > at 30 frames per second.   
> 
> IIRC some big use case for this hardware was transcoding so there was a
> desire to just go at whatever rate the hardware could support as there
> is no interactive user consuming the output as it is generated.

Indeed, codecs could be used to just do transcoding, but I would
expect it to be a border use case. See, as the chipsets implementing 
codecs are typically the ones used on mobiles, I would expect that
the major use cases to be to watch audio and video and to participate
on audio/video conferences.

Going further, the codec API may end supporting not only transcoding
(which is something that CPU can usually handle without too much
processing) but also audio processing that may require more 
complex algorithms - even deep learning ones - like background noise
removal, echo detection/removal, volume auto-gain, audio enhancement
and such.

On other words, the typical use cases will either have input
or output being a physical hardware (microphone or speaker).

> > I would assume that, on an audio/video stream, the audio data
> > transfer will be programmed to also happen on a regular interval.  
> 
> With audio the API is very much "wake userspace every Xms".

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-03  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-19  7:50 [PATCH v15 00/16] Add audio support in v4l2 framework Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:50 ` [PATCH v15 01/16] media: v4l2-ctrls: add support for fraction_bits Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 02/16] ASoC: fsl_asrc: define functions for memory to memory usage Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 03/16] ASoC: fsl_easrc: " Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 04/16] ASoC: fsl_asrc: move fsl_asrc_common.h to include/sound Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 05/16] ASoC: fsl_asrc: register m2m platform device Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 06/16] ASoC: fsl_easrc: " Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 07/16] media: uapi: Add V4L2_CAP_AUDIO_M2M capability flag Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 08/16] media: v4l2: Add audio capture and output support Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 09/16] media: uapi: Define audio sample format fourcc type Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 10/16] media: uapi: Add V4L2_CTRL_CLASS_M2M_AUDIO Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 11/16] media: uapi: Add audio rate controls support Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 12/16] media: uapi: Declare interface types for Audio Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 13/16] media: uapi: Add an entity type for audio resampler Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 14/16] media: vivid: add fixed point test controls Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 15/16] media: imx-asrc: Add memory to memory driver Shengjiu Wang
2024-03-19  7:51 ` [PATCH v15 16/16] media: vim2m-audio: add virtual driver for audio memory to memory Shengjiu Wang
2024-04-30  8:21 ` [PATCH v15 00/16] Add audio support in v4l2 framework Sebastian Fricke
2024-04-30  8:47   ` Hans Verkuil
2024-04-30 13:52     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-04-30 14:46   ` Mark Brown
2024-04-30 15:03     ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-04-30 16:27     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-05-01  1:56       ` Mark Brown
2024-05-02  7:46         ` Takashi Iwai
2024-05-02  8:59           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-05-02  9:26             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2024-05-03  1:47               ` Mark Brown
2024-05-03  8:42                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2024-05-06  8:49                   ` Shengjiu Wang
2024-05-06  9:42                     ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-08  8:00                     ` Hans Verkuil
2024-05-08  8:13                       ` Amadeusz Sławiński
2024-05-09  9:36                         ` Shengjiu Wang
2024-05-09  9:50                           ` Amadeusz Sławiński
2024-05-09 10:12                             ` Shengjiu Wang
2024-05-09 10:28                               ` Amadeusz Sławiński
2024-05-09 10:44                                 ` Shengjiu Wang
2024-05-09 11:13                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-13 11:56                                     ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-15  9:17                                       ` Hans Verkuil
2024-05-15  9:50                                         ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-15 10:19                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2024-05-15 10:46                                             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-15 13:34                                               ` Shengjiu Wang
2024-05-16 14:58                                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-15 20:33                                               ` Nicolas Dufresne
2024-05-16 14:50                                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-27  7:24                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2024-05-15 14:04                                     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart

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