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From: "Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@kernel.org>
To: "Ignat Korchagin" <ignat@cloudflare.com>
Cc: "James Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	"Mimi Zohar" <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	"David Howells" <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>, <serge@hallyn.com>,
	<linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org>, <keyrings@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <kernel-team@cloudflare.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] TPM derived keys
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 17:45:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D19G5WTFSJ40.1D0KEUQO6Q8AT@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALrw=nE_sV=1DnCx1eM8Sgno-di0yCaWHX467ZEf1Fddwg7_rA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue May 14, 2024 at 5:41 PM EEST, Ignat Korchagin wrote:
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 3:00 PM Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue May 14, 2024 at 4:11 PM EEST, Ignat Korchagin wrote:
> > > For example, a cheap NAS box with no internal storage (disks connected
> > > externally via USB). We want:
> > >   * disks to be encrypted and decryptable only by this NAS box
> >
> > So how this differs from LUKS2 style, which also systemd supports where
> > the encryption key is anchored to PCR's? If I took hard drive out of my
> > Linux box, I could not decrypt it in another machine because of this.
>
> It differs with the fact that the disk has a clearly identifiable
> LUKS2 header, which tells an adversary that this is a disk with some
> data that is encrypted. With derived keys and plain dm-crypt mode
> there is no LUKS header, so it is not possible to tell if it is an
> encrypted disk or a disk with just random data. Additionally, if I
> accidentally wipe the sector with the LUKS2 header - all my data is
> lost (because the data encryption key from the header is lost). With
> derived keys I can always decrypt at least some data, if the disk is
> available.

I figured most of this out myself and sent a follow-up but yeah thnaks
for confirming my toughts. I get this part now.

Follow-ups to my follow-up...

BR, Jarkko

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-14 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-03 22:16 [RFC PATCH 0/2] TPM derived keys Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-03 22:16 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] tpm: add some algorithm and constant definitions from the TPM spec Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 22:51   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 22:52     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-03 22:16 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] KEYS: implement derived keys Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 23:10   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 23:44     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-15  0:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-15  6:44       ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-15 12:00         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-15 12:03           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-15  7:26     ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-04  0:21 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] TPM " Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-04 13:55   ` Ben Boeckel
2024-05-04 14:51     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-04 15:35       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-13 17:09         ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-13 22:33           ` James Bottomley
2024-05-14  9:50             ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 14:11               ` James Bottomley
2024-05-14 14:54                 ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-13 17:11 ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14  0:28   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 10:05     ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 12:09       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 13:11         ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 14:00           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 14:30             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 15:21               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 15:26                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 15:30                   ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 15:42                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 16:08                       ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 16:22                         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2024-05-14 14:41             ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 14:45               ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2024-05-14 15:30           ` James Bottomley
2024-05-14 15:38             ` Ignat Korchagin
2024-05-14 15:54               ` James Bottomley
2024-05-14 16:01                 ` Ignat Korchagin

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