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From: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
To: speck@linutronix.de
Subject: [MODERATED] Re: fix bpf side of SSB
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 13:35:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180521203556.GH4486@tassilo.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180520153714.qegrchfomqe7dhw6@ast-mbp>

> My understanding that retpoline is a stronger version of lfence
> (since it has pause+lfence speculative loop which cpu always takes).
> In my microbenchmarks retpoline is 20+ cycles whereas indirect jmp
> is 1 cycle. These extra cycles cpu spends in undoing speculative
> jmp + pause + lfence.

Micro benchmarks are very difficult for these things because
it depends on many factors in the pipeline.

It's better to measure it directly in a larger context with
timed lbrs if you can.

> So anything that is being called via indirect jmp is essentially
> being lfenced before execution reaches the callee function.

Yes that is true.

But random lfences do not really help with SSB, you would
lfences placed between the specific loads and stores. 

-Andi

      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-21 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-17 22:07 [MODERATED] fix bpf side of SSB Alexei Starovoitov
2018-05-19 19:13 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-19 23:57   ` [MODERATED] " Alexei Starovoitov
2018-05-20  7:04     ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-20 15:37       ` [MODERATED] " Alexei Starovoitov
2018-05-20 17:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-21 20:35         ` Andi Kleen [this message]

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