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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Victoria Dye" <vdye@github.com>,
	"Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Lessley Dennington" <lessleydennington@gmail.com>,
	"Matthew John Cheetham" <mjcheetham@outlook.com>,
	"M Hickford" <mirth.hickford@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff Hostetler" <git@jeffhostetler.com>,
	"Glen Choo" <chooglen@google.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 00/12] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:55:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230328185520.GE18558@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0f94b998-e223-85cc-7730-f75675d5e649@gmx.de>

On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 11:10:40AM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote:

> > I'm skeptical that it is a good idea for Git to implement a custom http
> > server from scratch.
> 
> To be clear: I never suggested to implement a generic HTTP server.
> 
> All I wanted was to have a replacement for `git daemon` that speaks
> https:// instead of git://. It does not have to speak to every browser out
> there, it only needs to respond well when speaking to Git clients. That is
> a much, much smaller surface than "production-ready server, HTTP/2 and so
> on".

I guess I don't see the point of having this in our test suite, though.
We do want to test things like HTTP/2, SSL, and so on in our test suite.
So either we have a split in our tests (some use apache, some don't,
which presumably means many tests are still not run on Windows), or this
custom HTTP server eventually grows to do all of those other things.

I can see the utility outside the tests of a quick "let me stand up an
HTTP server to access Git" tool. But even there, I'd be considered with
feature creep as regular users ignore any warnings about its lack of
encryption/robustness, and so on. And it feels like something that could
utilize work already done by others in making a web server. Yes, that's
a new dependency for the tool, but there are a lot of options out there.
Surely one of them is worth building on?

> And while the proposed test helper was not quite complete in that way, and
> while it may have had much of the `git daemon` code that you would love to
> lose, it would have offered an incremental way forward.
> 
> I am afraid that this way forward is now blocked, and we're further away
> from dropping that `git daemon` code you wanted to drop than ever.

I don't see how pushing the same code into an http server helps. If we
could have incrementally improved it there, we could incrementally
improve it in git-daemon, too.

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-28 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 223+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-13 19:25 [PATCH 0/8] [RFC] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 1/8] wincred: ignore unknown lines (do not die) Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 2/8] netrc: " Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 3/8] osxkeychain: clarify that we ignore unknown lines Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-19 16:12   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-21 22:48     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 4/8] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-19 16:21   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-21 22:24     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-09-26 14:13       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 5/8] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-19 16:33   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-21 22:20     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 6/8] http: store all request headers on active_request_slot Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 7/8] http: move proactive auth to first slot creation Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-13 19:25 ` [PATCH 8/8] http: set specific auth scheme depending on credential Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-09-19 16:42   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-19 16:08 ` [PATCH 0/8] [RFC] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Derrick Stolee
2022-09-19 16:44   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-21 22:19   ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-09-19 23:36 ` Lessley Dennington
2022-10-21 17:07 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-21 17:07   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-21 17:07   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-28 18:22     ` Jeff Hostetler
2022-11-01 23:07       ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-10-21 17:08   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] http: store all request headers on active_request_slot Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-21 17:08   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] http: move proactive auth to first slot creation Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-21 17:08   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] http: set specific auth scheme depending on credential Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-21 17:08   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] t5556-http-auth: add test for HTTP auth hdr logic Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-10-28 15:08     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-10-28 19:14       ` Jeff Hostetler
2022-11-01 23:14         ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-11-02 14:38           ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-01 23:59       ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-10-25  2:26   ` git-credential.txt M Hickford
2022-10-25 20:49     ` git-credential.txt Matthew John Cheetham
2022-11-02 22:09   ` [PATCH v3 00/11] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 01/11] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 02/11] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 03/11] http: store all request headers on active_request_slot Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-09 23:18       ` Glen Choo
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 04/11] http: move proactive auth to first slot creation Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 05/11] http: set specific auth scheme depending on credential Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-09 23:40       ` Glen Choo
2022-12-12 21:53         ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 06/11] test-http-server: add stub HTTP server test helper Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-07 19:19       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 07/11] test-http-server: add HTTP error response function Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 08/11] test-http-server: add HTTP request parsing Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 09/11] test-http-server: pass Git requests to http-backend Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 10/11] test-http-server: add simple authentication Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-02 22:09     ` [PATCH v3 11/11] t5556: add HTTP authentication tests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-11-03 19:00     ` [PATCH v3 00/11] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers M Hickford
2022-12-12 22:07       ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-11-07 19:23     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-11-09 23:06     ` Glen Choo
2022-12-12 22:03       ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-11-28  9:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-12 21:36     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] " Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:15         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 22:09           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-15  9:27         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-11 22:11           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:15         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 20:37           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] test-http-server: add stub HTTP server test helper Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:16         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 20:46           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] test-http-server: add HTTP error response function Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:17         ` Victoria Dye
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] test-http-server: add HTTP request parsing Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:18         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 21:39           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] test-http-server: pass Git requests to http-backend Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:20         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 21:45           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-12 20:54             ` Victoria Dye
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] test-http-server: add simple authentication Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:23         ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 22:00           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2022-12-12 21:36       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] t5556: add HTTP authentication tests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2022-12-14 23:48         ` Victoria Dye
2022-12-15  0:21           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-11 22:05             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:04           ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13       ` [PATCH v5 00/10] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 01/10] daemon: libify socket setup and option functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12 19:35           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-12 20:22             ` Derrick Stolee
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 02/10] daemon: libify child process handling functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12 19:35           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-17 21:14             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 03/10] daemon: rename some esoteric/laboured terminology Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12 19:44           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-17 21:16             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 04/10] test-http-server: add stub HTTP server test helper Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12 19:57           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 05/10] test-http-server: add HTTP error response function Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12 20:35           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-17 21:23             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 06/10] test-http-server: add simple authentication Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-13 18:10           ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-13 21:06             ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-17 21:21             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 07/10] http: replace unsafe size_t multiplication with st_mult Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 08/10] strvec: expose strvec_push_nodup for external use Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 09/10] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12  8:41           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-17 21:51             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-11 22:13         ` [PATCH v5 10/10] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-12  8:48           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-17 21:35             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-12 20:41           ` Derrick Stolee
2023-01-17 21:18             ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30         ` [PATCH v6 00/12] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 01/12] daemon: libify socket setup and option functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 02/12] daemon: libify child process handling functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 03/12] daemon: rename some esoteric/laboured terminology Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 04/12] test-http-server: add stub HTTP server test helper Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:04             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-20 22:05               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 05/12] test-http-server: add HTTP error response function Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:07             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-20 22:05               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 06/12] test-http-server: add HTTP request parsing Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:14             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-20 22:05               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 07/12] test-http-server: pass Git requests to http-backend Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 08/12] test-http-server: add simple authentication Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:21             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-20 22:05               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 09/12] test-http-server: add sending of arbitrary headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 10/12] http: replace unsafe size_t multiplication with st_mult Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:38             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-18 17:28               ` Victoria Dye
2023-01-18 23:16                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 11/12] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-18 11:42             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-20 22:05               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-01-18  3:30           ` [PATCH v6 12/12] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08           ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 01/12] daemon: libify socket setup and option functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 02/12] daemon: libify child process handling functions Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 03/12] daemon: rename some esoteric/laboured terminology Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 04/12] test-http-server: add stub HTTP server test helper Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26  8:58               ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 05/12] test-http-server: add HTTP error response function Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 06/12] test-http-server: add HTTP request parsing Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26  9:30               ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 07/12] test-http-server: pass Git requests to http-backend Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26  9:37               ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 08/12] test-http-server: add simple authentication Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26 10:02               ` Jeff King
2023-01-26 21:22                 ` Jeff King
2023-01-26 22:27                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-26 20:33               ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 09/12] test-http-server: add sending of arbitrary headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 10/12] http: replace unsafe size_t multiplication with st_mult Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26 10:09               ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 11/12] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26 10:31               ` Jeff King
2023-02-06 19:25                 ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-09 13:12                   ` Jeff King
2023-01-20 22:08             ` [PATCH v7 12/12] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-01-26 11:25               ` Jeff King
2023-02-06 19:18                 ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-09 13:08                   ` Jeff King
2023-01-24 17:30             ` [PATCH v7 00/12] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Victoria Dye
2023-01-24 18:03               ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-26 11:29                 ` Jeff King
2023-01-26 16:05                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-02-02 10:14                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-02-02 11:04                       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-02 13:51                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-02-06 21:32                           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-03-27  9:05                             ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-02-03 17:34                       ` Jeff King
2023-03-27  9:10                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2023-03-28 18:55                           ` Jeff King [this message]
2023-01-28 14:28             ` M Hickford
2023-02-01 20:15               ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-02  0:16                 ` Jeff King
2023-02-06 19:29             ` [PATCH v8 0/3] " Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-06 19:29               ` [PATCH v8 1/3] t5563: add tests for basic and anoymous HTTP access Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-06 20:32                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-08 20:24                 ` Victoria Dye
2023-02-09 11:19                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-15 19:32                     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-06 19:29               ` [PATCH v8 2/3] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-06 20:36                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-08 21:05                 ` Victoria Dye
2023-02-06 19:29               ` [PATCH v8 3/3] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-06 20:45                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-15 19:19                   ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-06 20:59               ` [PATCH v8 0/3] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-02-08 21:29               ` Victoria Dye
2023-02-08 21:54               ` Junio C Hamano
2023-02-15 21:34               ` [PATCH v9 " Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-15 21:34                 ` [PATCH v9 1/3] t5563: add tests for basic and anoymous HTTP access Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-15 22:15                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-02-16 22:25                     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-15 21:34                 ` [PATCH v9 2/3] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-15 23:26                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-02-16 22:29                     ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-15 21:34                 ` [PATCH v9 3/3] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-16 22:34                 ` [PATCH v10 0/3] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-16 22:34                   ` [PATCH v10 1/3] t5563: add tests for basic and anoymous HTTP access Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-23  9:16                     ` Jeff King
2023-02-23  9:37                       ` Jeff King
2023-02-27 17:18                       ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-16 22:34                   ` [PATCH v10 2/3] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-23  9:46                     ` Jeff King
2023-02-23 19:49                       ` Junio C Hamano
2023-02-27 17:14                         ` Matthew John Cheetham
2023-02-16 22:34                   ` [PATCH v10 3/3] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-27 17:20                   ` [PATCH v11 0/3] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-27 17:20                     ` [PATCH v11 1/3] t5563: add tests for basic and anoymous HTTP access Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-27 17:20                     ` [PATCH v11 2/3] http: read HTTP WWW-Authenticate response headers Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-27 17:20                     ` [PATCH v11 3/3] credential: add WWW-Authenticate header to cred requests Matthew John Cheetham via GitGitGadget
2023-02-27 20:27                     ` [PATCH v11 0/3] Enhance credential helper protocol to include auth headers Jeff King

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