From: "Zeng, Oak" <oak.zeng@intel.com>
To: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@redhat.com>,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
"Dave Airlie" <airlied@redhat.com>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
"Felix Kuehling" <felix.kuehling@amd.com>,
"Welty, Brian" <brian.welty@intel.com>
Cc: "Brost, Matthew" <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
"Thomas.Hellstrom@linux.intel.com"
<Thomas.Hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
"Ghimiray, Himal Prasad" <himal.prasad.ghimiray@intel.com>,
"Gupta, saurabhg" <saurabhg.gupta@intel.com>,
"Bommu, Krishnaiah" <krishnaiah.bommu@intel.com>,
"Vishwanathapura,
Niranjana" <niranjana.vishwanathapura@intel.com>,
"intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org" <intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: RE: Making drm_gpuvm work across gpu devices
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 03:57:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA1PR11MB69915590D8D282DA41B8783E927B2@SA1PR11MB6991.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4c622af4-af92-4e95-957f-a8867925c236@redhat.com>
Thanks a lot Danilo.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. In the solution I proposed, each device still have separate vm/page tables. Each device still need to manage the mapping, page table flags etc. It is just in svm use case, all devices share one drm_gpuvm instance. As I understand it, drm_gpuvm's main function is the va range split and merging. I don't see why it doesn't work across gpu devices.
But I read more about drm_gpuvm. Its split merge function takes a drm_gem_object parameter, see drm_gpuvm_sm_map_ops_create and drm_gpuvm_sm_map. Actually the whole drm_gpuvm is designed for BO-centric driver, for example, it has a drm_gpuvm_bo concept to keep track of the 1BO:Ngpuva mapping. The whole purpose of leveraging drm_gpuvm is to re-use the va split/merge functions for SVM. But in our SVM implementation, there is no buffer object at all. So I don't think our SVM codes can leverage drm_gpuvm.
I will give up this approach, unless Matt or Brian can see a way.
A few replies inline.... @Welty, Brian I had more thoughts inline to one of your original question....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@redhat.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 6:57 PM
> To: Zeng, Oak <oak.zeng@intel.com>; Christian König
> <christian.koenig@amd.com>; Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>; Daniel Vetter
> <daniel@ffwll.ch>; Felix Kuehling <felix.kuehling@amd.com>
> Cc: Welty, Brian <brian.welty@intel.com>; dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org; intel-
> xe@lists.freedesktop.org; Bommu, Krishnaiah <krishnaiah.bommu@intel.com>;
> Ghimiray, Himal Prasad <himal.prasad.ghimiray@intel.com>;
> Thomas.Hellstrom@linux.intel.com; Vishwanathapura, Niranjana
> <niranjana.vishwanathapura@intel.com>; Brost, Matthew
> <matthew.brost@intel.com>; Gupta, saurabhg <saurabhg.gupta@intel.com>
> Subject: Re: Making drm_gpuvm work across gpu devices
>
> Hi Oak,
>
> On 1/23/24 20:37, Zeng, Oak wrote:
> > Thanks Christian. I have some comment inline below.
> >
> > Danilo, can you also take a look and give your feedback? Thanks.
>
> I agree with everything Christian already wrote. Except for the KFD parts, which
> I'm simply not familiar with, I had exactly the same thoughts after reading your
> initial mail.
>
> Please find some more comments below.
>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 6:13 AM
> >> To: Zeng, Oak <oak.zeng@intel.com>; Danilo Krummrich <dakr@redhat.com>;
> >> Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>; Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
> >> Cc: Welty, Brian <brian.welty@intel.com>; dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org;
> intel-
> >> xe@lists.freedesktop.org; Bommu, Krishnaiah
> <krishnaiah.bommu@intel.com>;
> >> Ghimiray, Himal Prasad <himal.prasad.ghimiray@intel.com>;
> >> Thomas.Hellstrom@linux.intel.com; Vishwanathapura, Niranjana
> >> <niranjana.vishwanathapura@intel.com>; Brost, Matthew
> >> <matthew.brost@intel.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Making drm_gpuvm work across gpu devices
> >>
> >> Hi Oak,
> >>
> >> Am 23.01.24 um 04:21 schrieb Zeng, Oak:
> >>> Hi Danilo and all,
> >>>
> >>> During the work of Intel's SVM code, we came up the idea of making
> >> drm_gpuvm to work across multiple gpu devices. See some discussion here:
> >> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-
> >>
> devel/PH7PR11MB70049E7E6A2F40BF6282ECC292742@PH7PR11MB7004.namprd
> >> 11.prod.outlook.com/
> >>>
> >>> The reason we try to do this is, for a SVM (shared virtual memory across cpu
> >> program and all gpu program on all gpu devices) process, the address space
> has
> >> to be across all gpu devices. So if we make drm_gpuvm to work across devices,
> >> then our SVM code can leverage drm_gpuvm as well.
> >>>
> >>> At a first look, it seems feasible because drm_gpuvm doesn't really use the
> >> drm_device *drm pointer a lot. This param is used only for printing/warning.
> So I
> >> think maybe we can delete this drm field from drm_gpuvm.
> >>>
> >>> This way, on a multiple gpu device system, for one process, we can have only
> >> one drm_gpuvm instance, instead of multiple drm_gpuvm instances (one for
> >> each gpu device).
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Well from the GPUVM side I don't think it would make much difference if
> >> we have the drm device or not.
> >>
> >> But the experience we had with the KFD I think I should mention that we
> >> should absolutely *not* deal with multiple devices at the same time in
> >> the UAPI or VM objects inside the driver.
> >>
> >> The background is that all the APIs inside the Linux kernel are build
> >> around the idea that they work with only one device at a time. This
> >> accounts for both low level APIs like the DMA API as well as pretty high
> >> level things like for example file system address space etc...
> >
> > Yes most API are per device based.
> >
> > One exception I know is actually the kfd SVM API. If you look at the svm_ioctl
> function, it is per-process based. Each kfd_process represent a process across N
> gpu devices. Cc Felix.
> >
> > Need to say, kfd SVM represent a shared virtual address space across CPU and
> all GPU devices on the system. This is by the definition of SVM (shared virtual
> memory). This is very different from our legacy gpu *device* driver which works
> for only one device (i.e., if you want one device to access another device's
> memory, you will have to use dma-buf export/import etc).
> >
> > We have the same design requirement of SVM. For anyone who want to
> implement the SVM concept, this is a hard requirement. Since now drm has the
> drm_gpuvm concept which strictly speaking is designed for one device, I want to
> see whether we can extend drm_gpuvm to make it work for both single device
> (as used in xe) and multipe devices (will be used in the SVM code). That is why I
> brought up this topic.
> >
> >>
> >> So when you have multiple GPUs you either have an inseparable cluster of
> >> them which case you would also only have one drm_device. Or you have
> >> separated drm_device which also results in separate drm render nodes and
> >> separate virtual address spaces and also eventually separate IOMMU
> >> domains which gives you separate dma_addresses for the same page and so
> >> separate GPUVM page tables....
> >
> > I am thinking we can still make each device has its separate drm_device/render
> node/iommu domains/gpu page table. Just as what we have today. I am not plan
> to change this picture.
> >
> > But the virtual address space will support two modes of operation:
> > 1. one drm_gpuvm per device. This is when svm is not in the picture
> > 2. all devices in the process share one single drm_gpuvm, when svm is in the
> picture. In xe driver design, we have to support a mixture use of legacy mode
> (such as gem_create and vm_bind) and svm (such as malloc'ed memory for gpu
> submission). So whenever SVM is in the picture, we want one single process
> address space across all devices. Drm_gpuvm doesn't need to be aware of those
> two operation modes. It is driver's responsibility to use different mode.
> >
> > For example, in mode #1, a driver's vm structure (such as xe_vm) can inherit
> from drm_gpuvm. In mode #2, a driver's svm structure (xe_svm in this series:
> https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20240117221223.18540-1-oak.zeng@intel.com/)
> can inherit from drm_gpuvm while each xe_vm (still a per-device based struct)
> will just have a pointer to the drm_gpuvm structure. This way when svm is in play,
> we build a 1 process:1 mm_struct:1 xe_svm:N xe_vm correlations which means
> shared address space across gpu devices.
>
> With a shared GPUVM structure, how do you track actual per device resources
> such as
> page tables? You also need to consider that the page table layout, memory
> mapping
> flags may vary from device to device due to different GPU chipsets or revisions.
The per device page table, flags etc are still managed per-device based, which is the xe_vm in the xekmd driver.
>
> Also, if you replace the shared GPUVM structure with a pointer to a shared one,
> you may run into all kinds of difficulties due to increasing complexity in terms
> of locking, synchronization, lifetime and potential unwind operations in error
> paths.
> I haven't thought it through yet, but I wouldn't be surprised entirely if there are
> cases where you simply run into circular dependencies.
Make sense, I can't see through this without a prove of concept code either.
>
> Also, looking at the conversation in the linked patch series:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> For example as hmm_range_fault brings a range from host into GPU address
> >> space, what if it was already allocated and in use by VM_BIND for
> >> a GEM_CREATE allocated buffer? That is of course application error,
> >> but KMD needs to detect it, and provide one single managed address
> >> space across all allocations from the application....
>
> > This is very good question. Yes agree we should check this application error.
> Fortunately this is doable. All vm_bind virtual address range are tracked in
> xe_vm/drm_gpuvm struct. In this case, we should iterate the drm_gpuvm's rb
> tree of *all* gpu devices (as xe_vm is for one device only) to see whether there
> is a conflict. Will make the change soon.
>
> <snip>
>
> How do you do that if xe_vm->gpuvm is just a pointer to the GPUVM structure
> within xe_svm?
In the proposed approach, we have a single drm_gpuvm instance for one process. All device's xe_vm pointing to this drm_gpuvm instance. This drm_gpuvm's rb tree maintains all the va range we have in this process. We can just walk this rb tree to see if there is a conflict.
But I didn't answer Brian's question completely... In a mixed use of vm_bind and malloc/mmap, the virtual address used by vm_bind should first be reserved in user space using mmap. So all valid virtual address should be tracked by linux kernel vma_struct.
Both vm_bind and malloc'ed virtual address can cause a gpu page fault. Our fault handler should first see whether this is a vm_bind va and service the fault accordingly; if not, then serve the fault in the SVM path; if SVM path also failed, it is an invalid address. So from user perspective, user can use:
Ptr = mmap()
Vm_bind(ptr, bo)
Submit gpu kernel using ptr
Or:
Ptr = mmap()
Submit gpu kernel using ptr
Whether vm_bind is called or not decides the gpu fault handler code path. Hopefully this answers @Welty, Brian's original question
>
> >
> > This requires some changes of drm_gpuvm design:
> > 1. The drm_device *drm pointer, in mode #2 operation, this can be NULL,
> means this drm_gpuvm is not for specific gpu device
> > 2. The common dma_resv object: drm_gem_object *r_obj. *Does one
> dma_resv object allocated/initialized for one device work for all devices*? From
> first look, dma_resv is just some CPU structure maintaining dma-fences. So I
> guess it should work for all devices? I definitely need you to comment.
>
> The general rule is that drivers can share the common dma_resv across GEM
> objects that
> are only mapped within the VM owning the dma_resv, but never within another
> VM.
>
> Now, your question is whether multiple VMs can share the same common
> dma_resv. I think
> that calls for trouble, since it would create dependencies that simply aren't
> needed
> and might even introduce locking issues.
>
> However, that's optional, you can simply decide to not make use of the common
> dma_resv
> and all the optimizations based on it.
Ok, got it.
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It's up to you how to implement it, but I think it's pretty clear that
> >> you need separate drm_gpuvm objects to manage those.
> >
> > As explained above, I am thinking of one drm_gpuvm object across all devices
> when SVM is in the picture...
> >
> >>
> >> That you map the same thing in all those virtual address spaces at the
> >> same address is a completely different optimization problem I think.
> >
> > Not sure I follow here... the requirement from SVM is, one virtual address
> points to same physical backing store. For example, whenever CPU or any GPU
> device access this virtual address, it refers to the same physical content. Of
> course the physical backing store can be migrated b/t host memory and any of
> the GPU's device memory, but the content should be consistent.
>
> Technically, multiple different GPUs will have separate virtual address spaces, it's
> just that you create mappings within all of them such that the same virtual
> address
> resolves to the same physical content on all of them.
>
> So, having a single GPUVM instance representing all of them might give the
> illusion of
> a single unified address space, but you still need to maintain each device's
> address
> space backing resources, such as page tables, separately.
Yes agreed.
Regards,
Oak
>
> - Danilo
>
> >
> > So we are mapping same physical content to the same virtual address in either
> cpu page table or any gpu device's page table...
> >
> >> What we could certainly do is to optimize hmm_range_fault by making
> >> hmm_range a reference counted object and using it for multiple devices
> >> at the same time if those devices request the same range of an mm_struct.
> >>
> >
> > Not very follow. If you are trying to resolve a multiple devices concurrent access
> problem, I think we should serialize concurrent device fault to one address range.
> The reason is, during device fault handling, we might migrate the backing store so
> hmm_range->hmm_pfns[] might have changed after one device access it.
> >
> >> I think if you start using the same drm_gpuvm for multiple devices you
> >> will sooner or later start to run into the same mess we have seen with
> >> KFD, where we moved more and more functionality from the KFD to the DRM
> >> render node because we found that a lot of the stuff simply doesn't work
> >> correctly with a single object to maintain the state.
> >
> > As I understand it, KFD is designed to work across devices. A single pseudo
> /dev/kfd device represent all hardware gpu devices. That is why during kfd open,
> many pdd (process device data) is created, each for one hardware device for this
> process. Yes the codes are a little complicated.
> >
> > Kfd manages the shared virtual address space in the kfd driver codes, like the
> split, merging etc. Here I am looking whether we can leverage the drm_gpuvm
> code for those functions.
> >
> > As of the shared virtual address space across gpu devices, it is a hard
> requirement for svm/system allocator (aka malloc for gpu program). We need to
> make it work either at driver level or drm_gpuvm level. Drm_gpuvm is better
> because the work can be shared b/t drivers.
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> > Oak
> >
> >>
> >> Just one more point to your original discussion on the xe list: I think
> >> it's perfectly valid for an application to map something at the same
> >> address you already have something else.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Oak
> >
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Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-17 22:12 [PATCH 00/23] XeKmd basic SVM support Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 01/23] drm/xe/svm: Add SVM document Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 02/23] drm/xe/svm: Add svm key data structures Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 03/23] drm/xe/svm: create xe svm during vm creation Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 04/23] drm/xe/svm: Trace svm creation Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 05/23] drm/xe/svm: add helper to retrieve svm range from address Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 06/23] drm/xe/svm: Introduce a helper to build sg table from hmm range Oak Zeng
2024-04-05 0:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 3:33 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-04-05 12:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 16:42 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-04-05 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 16:45 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-04-09 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-23 21:17 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-04-24 2:31 ` Matthew Brost
2024-04-24 13:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-24 16:35 ` Matthew Brost
2024-04-24 16:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-24 16:56 ` Matthew Brost
2024-04-24 17:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-24 13:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-24 23:59 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-04-25 1:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-26 9:55 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-04-26 12:00 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-26 14:49 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-04-26 16:35 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-29 8:25 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-04-30 17:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-30 18:57 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-01 0:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-02 8:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-02 9:11 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-05-02 12:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-02 15:01 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-05-02 19:25 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 13:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 14:43 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-03 16:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-03 20:29 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-05-04 1:03 ` Dave Airlie
2024-05-06 13:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-06 23:50 ` Matthew Brost
2024-05-07 11:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-06 13:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 17:33 ` Matthew Brost
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 07/23] drm/xe/svm: Add helper for binding hmm range to gpu Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 08/23] drm/xe/svm: Add helper to invalidate svm range from GPU Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 09/23] drm/xe/svm: Remap and provide memmap backing for GPU vram Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 10/23] drm/xe/svm: Introduce svm migration function Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 11/23] drm/xe/svm: implement functions to allocate and free device memory Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 12/23] drm/xe/svm: Trace buddy block allocation and free Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 13/23] drm/xe/svm: Handle CPU page fault Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 14/23] drm/xe/svm: trace svm range migration Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 15/23] drm/xe/svm: Implement functions to register and unregister mmu notifier Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 16/23] drm/xe/svm: Implement the mmu notifier range invalidate callback Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 17/23] drm/xe/svm: clean up svm range during process exit Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 18/23] drm/xe/svm: Move a few structures to xe_gt.h Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 19/23] drm/xe/svm: migrate svm range to vram Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 20/23] drm/xe/svm: Populate svm range Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 21/23] drm/xe/svm: GPU page fault support Oak Zeng
2024-01-23 2:06 ` Welty, Brian
2024-01-23 3:09 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-23 3:21 ` Making drm_gpuvm work across gpu devices Zeng, Oak
2024-01-23 11:13 ` Christian König
2024-01-23 19:37 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-23 20:17 ` Felix Kuehling
2024-01-25 1:39 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-23 23:56 ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-01-24 3:57 ` Zeng, Oak [this message]
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2024-01-24 6:48 ` Christian König
2024-01-25 22:13 ` Danilo Krummrich
2024-01-24 8:33 ` Christian König
2024-01-25 1:17 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-25 1:25 ` David Airlie
2024-01-25 5:25 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-26 10:09 ` Christian König
2024-01-26 20:13 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-29 10:10 ` Christian König
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2024-01-26 13:23 ` Christian König
2024-01-25 16:42 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-25 18:32 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-01-25 21:02 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-26 8:21 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-01-26 12:52 ` Christian König
2024-01-27 2:21 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-29 10:19 ` Christian König
2024-01-30 0:21 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-30 8:39 ` Christian König
2024-01-30 22:29 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-30 23:12 ` David Airlie
2024-01-31 9:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-01-31 20:17 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-01-31 20:59 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-02-01 8:52 ` Christian König
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2024-03-08 10:07 ` Christian König
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2024-01-29 15:03 ` Felix Kuehling
2024-01-29 15:33 ` Christian König
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2024-01-29 16:28 ` Christian König
2024-01-29 17:52 ` Felix Kuehling
2024-01-29 19:03 ` Christian König
2024-01-29 20:24 ` Felix Kuehling
2024-02-23 20:12 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-02-27 6:54 ` Christian König
2024-02-27 15:58 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-02-28 19:51 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-02-29 9:41 ` Christian König
2024-02-29 16:05 ` Zeng, Oak
2024-02-29 17:12 ` Thomas Hellström
2024-03-01 7:01 ` Christian König
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 22/23] drm/xe/svm: Add DRM_XE_SVM kernel config entry Oak Zeng
2024-01-17 22:12 ` [PATCH 23/23] drm/xe/svm: Add svm memory hints interface Oak Zeng
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