From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 17:55:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54b1bf11-0f9a-4e9e-9e5c-7d81e066fc7c@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZjpVfPqGNfE5N4bl@infradead.org>
On 5/7/24 17:23, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 01:18:57PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 05:05:12PM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>>>> even in tree if you give them enough rope, and they should not have
>>>> that rope when the only sensible options are page/folio based kernel
>>>> memory (incuding large/huge folios) and dmabuf.
>>>
>>> I believe there is at least one deep confusion here, considering you
>>> previously mentioned Keith's pre-mapping patches. The "hooks" are not
>>> that about in what format you pass memory, it's arguably the least
>>> interesting part for page pool, more or less it'd circulate whatever
>>> is given. It's more of how to have a better control over buffer lifetime
>>> and implement a buffer pool passing data to users and empty buffers
>>> back.
>>
>> Isn't that more or less exactly what dmabuf is? Why do you need
>> another almost dma-buf thing for another project?
>
> That's the exact point I've been making since the last round of
> the series. We don't need to reinvent dmabuf poorly in every
> subsystem, but instead fix the odd parts in it and make it suitable
> for everyone.
Someone would need to elaborate how dma-buf is like that addition
to page pool infra. The granularity here is usually 4K and less
(hw dictated), what user receives cannot be guaranteed to be
contiguous in memory. Having thousands of dma-buf instances is
not an option, so a completion would need to include a range
where data sits. Then who controls lifetime of buffers? If it's
dma-buf, then at least it needs to track what sub-buffers are
handed to user and what are currently in the kernel. How it would be
accounted? ioctl_return_subrange(dmabuf, [range]), sounds like
a bad idea for performance. To cover user memory it'd also need
to be read from userspace, ioctl here wouldn't be an option, but
let's say it's somehow done in the kernel.
That's not all the list, but in short, even though I haven't been
following dma-buf developments too closely, I have hard time seeing
how it can be a replacement here.
--
Pavel Begunkov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-07 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-03 0:20 [RFC PATCH net-next v8 00/14] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 01/14] queue_api: define queue api Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Mina Almasry
[not found] ` <ZjH1QaSSQ98mw158@infradead.org>
2024-05-03 20:10 ` Mina Almasry
[not found] ` <ZjjHUh1eINPg1wkn@infradead.org>
2024-05-07 16:05 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 16:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <ZjpVfPqGNfE5N4bl@infradead.org>
2024-05-07 16:42 ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-07 16:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-07 17:19 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-07 17:25 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 17:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-07 19:35 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 23:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08 7:16 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-05-08 11:35 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 15:34 ` Daniel Vetter
[not found] ` <ZjufddNVJs5Csaix@infradead.org>
2024-05-08 17:02 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 11:30 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 14:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08 15:44 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-08 15:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-05-08 16:13 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 17:17 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-07 16:55 ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2024-05-07 17:15 ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-07 17:34 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 03/14] net: netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 04/14] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2024-04-24 17:35 ` David Wei
2024-04-24 22:11 ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 05/14] netdev: netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 06/14] page_pool: convert to use netmem Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 17:27 ` Simon Horman
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 07/14] page_pool: devmem support Mina Almasry
2024-04-27 0:17 ` David Wei
2024-04-27 2:11 ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-30 13:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-04-30 13:45 ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-30 18:29 ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-30 18:55 ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-30 19:19 ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-01 13:58 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
[not found] ` <ZjH1hO8qJgOqNKub@infradead.org>
2024-05-06 0:29 ` David Wei
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 08/14] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 09/14] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 10/14] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 11/14] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 12/14] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX frags Mina Almasry
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 13/14] net: add devmem TCP documentation Mina Almasry
2024-05-03 13:14 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2024-04-03 0:20 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v8 14/14] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2024-04-08 15:57 ` Cong Wang
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