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* Re: [LARTC] Need help please
@ 2003-03-20 12:42 Gordan Bobic
  2003-03-20 12:49 ` Webadmin
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From: Gordan Bobic @ 2003-03-20 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: lartc

On Thursday 20 Mar 2003 12:49, Webadmin wrote:

> We've been getting some DDOS attack recently, due to this I was just
> wondering if we use some network traffic control techniques in order to
> reduce the risk of having the DDOS attack?? is this possible after all??
> can we use the traffic control techniques in order to redu reduce the DDOS
> attack???

I don't think you can reduce the "risk" of being under attack.

What sort of an attack are you under? Ping/ICMP flood? Or just a lot of robots 
killing your web server with seemingly valid requests?

If you are having your bandwidth between your router and your ISPs all used up 
by the attack, then you may be out of luck, as congestion and dropping will 
most likely occur before any valid traffic gets through to you.

OTOH, if it is just your server load that is being affected, then yes, you 
could potentially do something about it, provided you have some bandwidth to 
spare. You could block or reduce the priority of the offending traffic. You 
could also analyze logs what hosts are consuming a large amount of resources, 
or analyze the headers they are sending, and try to separate valid traffic by 
that. Then, just drop all traffic to/from the offending hosts completely, or 
reduce their traffic to a minimum priority. You can do this using 
ipchains/iptables and setting fwmarks on packets to/from relevant machines, 
and then filtering on fwmarks.

Ideally, you might be able to ask your ISP to filter out the offending traffic 
before it hits your local router, so it doesn't consume your bandwidth, but 
that depends on what they are able/willing to do with their network setup to 
help you out...

I think you will have to be a little more specific about the type of attack 
you are under for any more specific suggestions...

Regards.

Gordan
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* [LARTC] Need help please
  2003-03-20 12:42 [LARTC] Need help please Gordan Bobic
@ 2003-03-20 12:49 ` Webadmin
  2003-03-20 13:04 ` Emmanuel Guiton
  2003-03-21  5:14 ` S Mohan
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Webadmin @ 2003-03-20 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: lartc

Hi All;
We've been getting some DDOS attack recently, due to this I was just wondering 
if we use some network traffic control techniques in order to reduce the risk 
of having the DDOS attack?? is this possible after all?? can we use the 
traffic control techniques in order to redu reduce the DDOS attack???

-- 



Best Regards
WebAdmin, Salam2U.com

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* Re: [LARTC] Need help please
  2003-03-20 12:42 [LARTC] Need help please Gordan Bobic
  2003-03-20 12:49 ` Webadmin
@ 2003-03-20 13:04 ` Emmanuel Guiton
  2003-03-21  5:14 ` S Mohan
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Emmanuel Guiton @ 2003-03-20 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: lartc

Webadmin wrote:

>Hi All;
>We've been getting some DDOS attack recently, due to this I was just wondering 
>if we use some network traffic control techniques in order to reduce the risk 
>of having the DDOS attack?? is this possible after all?? can we use the 
>traffic control techniques in order to redu reduce the DDOS attack???
>
>  
>
Hi,

There ars some work in progress on this subject. I'm currently working 
on this kind of solution (I have to implement and test a new solution 
proposed by my boss).
Some related work is already available, you can read the following for 
further information: (Note that the traffic limitation part is not 
really currently addressed).

     CITRA/IDIP
 
D. Sterne, K. Djahandari, B. Wilson, B. Babson, D. Schnackenberg, H. 
Holliday, and T. Reid. (2001, September 27). "Autonomic Response to 
Distributed Denial of Service Attacks", in Proceedings of Recent 
Advances in Intrusion Detection, 4th International Symposium, pp 
134-139. Davis, California, USA. [Online]. Available: 
http://link.springer.de/link/service/series/0558/bibs/2212/22120134.htm

D. Schnackenberg, H. Holliday, R. Smith, K. Djahandari, and D. Sterne. 
(2001, June). "Cooperative intrusion Traceback and Response Architecture 
(CITRA)", in /Proceedings of the Second DARPA Information Survivability 
Conference and Exposition (DISCEX II). /Anheim, California, USA.

D. Schnackenberg, K. Djahandari, and D. Sterne. (2000, January). 
"Infrastructure for Intrusion Detection and Response", in /Proceedings 
of the DARPA Information Survivability Conference and Exposition/. 
Hilton Head, South Carolina, USA.



    ACC/Pushback

R. Mahajan, S. M. Bellovin, S. Floyd, J. Ioannidis, V. Paxson, and S. 
Shenker. (2001, July 13). "Controlling High Bandwidth Aggregates in the 
Network (Extended Version)". Draft paper pushback-Jul01.ps, work in 
progress. AT&T Center for Internet Research at ICSI (ACIRI) and AT&T 
Labs Research. [Online]. Available: http://www.icir.org/pushback.

S. Floyd, S. Bellovin, J. Ioannidis, K. Kompella, R. Mahajan, and V. 
Paxson. (2001, July). "Pushback Messages for Controlling Aggregates in 
the Network". Internet-Draft draft-floyd-pushback-messages-00.txt, work 
in progress. [Online]. Available: http://www.icir.org/pushback, 
http://www.icir.org/floyd/papers.html


Bye,
            Emmanuel

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* RE: [LARTC] Need help please
  2003-03-20 12:42 [LARTC] Need help please Gordan Bobic
  2003-03-20 12:49 ` Webadmin
  2003-03-20 13:04 ` Emmanuel Guiton
@ 2003-03-21  5:14 ` S Mohan
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: S Mohan @ 2003-03-21  5:14 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: lartc

You'll need to identify the sources/ protocols etc and rate limit them.
E.g. Ping of Death is avoided by either dropping icmp-echo-request or
rate limiting them to 5 per second. Need to use iptables for that.

Mohan

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Subject: [LARTC] Need help please


Hi All;
We've been getting some DDOS attack recently, due to this I was just
wondering 
if we use some network traffic control techniques in order to reduce the
risk 
of having the DDOS attack?? is this possible after all?? can we use the 
traffic control techniques in order to redu reduce the DDOS attack???

-- 



Best Regards
WebAdmin, Salam2U.com

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          (o o)
--oOOo-(_)-oOOo------

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That, as we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we
should be 
glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and
this we 
should do freely and generously.
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