From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, USER_AGENT_SANE_2 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377BFC433ED for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1B8A613BC for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:23 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org C1B8A613BC Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=infradead.org Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=intel-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FD56EC5E; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bombadil.infradead.org (bombadil.infradead.org [IPv6:2607:7c80:54:e::133]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0FA16EC5E; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20210309; h=Mime-Version:Content-Type:References: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=CGAim91g54du1h6JaU0Xbf2gPO4So65H4Ue8vHSi7L4=; b=4i55lXobtCkItqSLIXSNM1KdvS D2h7l9pabkZpuJmEYHHSArPzaLESyqMTrsXZvx1pJB6QmhgVRHcQwyFSRVsmtSW/54sfR3dVLrQVe aPalSZxx0LhVdnoX6jaUcYsm4ag50Xgys+KwncC8wH0oqG5NXdpUtaHgRPbPh797IL4MYp4pncU0A C+hTboFmMq9+W13++P+k4J7XyhskOt2AxIIPo8aMyo1DWlOC7Fv3RLdqIZrfhzm4Y25v26SZkkyOq 98ArH+Ndhg+U+YIqKcVFbS9VO5Kubn1uaeOk0h+8F6Av1nOvq9jJjDTMCTcpoJOPh06yPpkDXZY6B LtaqwHaQ==; Received: from 54-240-197-236.amazon.com ([54.240.197.236] helo=u3832b3a9db3152.ant.amazon.com) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.94 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lgsKF-00Ad4i-7g; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: From: David Woodhouse To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Linux Doc Mailing List Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:07:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v2 00/40] Use ASCII subset instead of UTF-8 alternate symbols X-BeenThere: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Intel graphics driver community testing & development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Mali DP Maintainers , linux-input@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0817853100==" Errors-To: intel-gfx-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "Intel-gfx" --===============0817853100== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow" --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your title 'Use ASCII subset' is now at least a bit *closer* to describing what the patches are actually doing, but it's still a bit misleading because you're only doing it for *some* characters. And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or simila= r - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternat= ives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and speciall= y at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: >=20 > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. 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54-240-197-236.amazon.com ([54.240.197.236] helo=u3832b3a9db3152.ant.amazon.com) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.94 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1lgsKF-00Ad4i-7g; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/40] Use ASCII subset instead of UTF-8 alternate symbols From: David Woodhouse To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Linux Doc Mailing List Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:07:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 May 2021 17:39:48 +0200 Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Mali DP Maintainers , linux-input@vger.kernel.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org X-BeenThere: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Alsa-devel mailing list for ALSA developers - http://www.alsa-project.org" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: "Alsa-devel" --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your title 'Use ASCII subset' is now at least a bit *closer* to describing what the patches are actually doing, but it's still a bit misleading because you're only doing it for *some* characters. And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or simila= r - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternat= ives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and speciall= y at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: >=20 > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. 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See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2254796577173001046==" Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org --===============2254796577173001046== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow" --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your title 'Use ASCII subset' is now at least a bit *closer* to describing what the patches are actually doing, but it's still a bit misleading because you're only doing it for *some* characters. And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or simila= r - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternat= ives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and speciall= y at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: >=20 > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. 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alternate symbols From: David Woodhouse To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Linux Doc Mailing List Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , Mali DP Maintainers , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, coresight@lists.linaro.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, mjpeg-users@lists.sourceforge.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 18:07:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your title 'Use ASCII subset' is now at least a bit *closer* to describing what the patches are actually doing, but it's still a bit misleading because you're only doing it for *some* characters. And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or simila= r - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternat= ives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and speciall= y at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: >=20 > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. Any but the most broken and/or anachronistic environments and editors will be just fine. --=-/FPptejB83YswlzTVxow Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCECow ggUcMIIEBKADAgECAhEA4rtJSHkq7AnpxKUY8ZlYZjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBlzELMAkGA1UE BhMCR0IxGzAZBgNVBAgTEkdyZWF0ZXIgTWFuY2hlc3RlcjEQMA4GA1UEBxMHU2FsZm9yZDEaMBgG A1UEChMRQ09NT0RPIENBIExpbWl0ZWQxPTA7BgNVBAMTNENPTU9ETyBSU0EgQ2xpZW50IEF1dGhl bnRpY2F0aW9uIGFuZCBTZWN1cmUgRW1haWwgQ0EwHhcNMTkwMTAyMDAwMDAwWhcNMjIwMTAxMjM1 OTU5WjAkMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNkd213MkBpbmZyYWRlYWQub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0B AQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAsv3wObLTCbUA7GJqKj9vHGf+Fa+tpkO+ZRVve9EpNsMsfXhvFpb8 RgL8vD+L133wK6csYoDU7zKiAo92FMUWaY1Hy6HqvVr9oevfTV3xhB5rQO1RHJoAfkvhy+wpjo7Q cXuzkOpibq2YurVStHAiGqAOMGMXhcVGqPuGhcVcVzVUjsvEzAV9Po9K2rpZ52FE4rDkpDK1pBK+ 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And the wording is still indicative of a fundamentally *misguided* motivation for doing any of this. Your commit comments should be about fixing a specific thing, nothing to do with "use ASCII subset", which is pointless in itself. On Wed, 2021-05-12 at 14:50 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > Such conversion tools - plus some text editor like LibreOffice or similar - have > a set of rules that turns some typed ASCII characters into UTF-8 alternatives, > for instance converting commas into curly commas and adding non-breakable > spaces. All of those are meant to produce better results when the text is > displayed in HTML or PDF formats. And don't we render our documentation into HTML or PDF formats? Are some of those non-breaking spaces not actually *useful* for their intended purpose? > While it is perfectly fine to use UTF-8 characters in Linux, and specially at > the documentation, it is better to stick to the ASCII subset on such > particular case, due to a couple of reasons: > > 1. it makes life easier for tools like grep; Barely, as noted, because of things like line feeds. > 2. they easier to edit with the some commonly used text/source > code editors. That is nonsense. Any but the most broken and/or anachronistic environments and editors will be just fine. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5174 bytes Desc: not available URL: