Hello - I think I've found a bug, either with hid-multitouch, or with the quirks for my device. I have an HP Spectre x360, which has a nice haptic touchpad, with excellent finger tracking; the model is ELAN07CE:00 04F3:32C8 Touchpad. I noticed that palm rejection wasn't working, and after some investigation found that the touchpad uses "Confidence" as a way to indicate whether a given touch is a finger or a palm. So I disabled MT_QUIRK_ALWAYS_VALID and enabled MT_QUIRK_VALID_IS_CONFIDENCE. While this worked, and palm touches were now not being sent via evdev, occasionally the cursor will "lock up" after I have been typing or doing other things that involve resting my palms on the touchpad. I've examined the hidraw output during these situations, and the touchpad is sending correct data. I believe what is happening is that the kernel is holding a slot for a finger/palm that is no longer there, and so all subsequent touches, even if single-finger, are interpreted as "gestures" by libinput. I've tried setting MT_QUIRK_SLOT_IS_CONTACTID, since the touchpad reliably maps each touch to a contactID - this doesn't help. I've tried using MT_QUIRK_CONFIDENCE instead, which seemed promising, but never see any ABS_MT_TOOL_TYPE event codes (neither MT_TOOL_FINGER or MT_TOOL_PALM) reported by evtest. So my questions are: 1) Is the MT_QUIRK_VALID_IS_CONFIDENCE messing up event/slot tracking somehow? The "lock up" doesn't happen when this quirk is not set. I've attached a recording of the issue in the attached yaml file from `libinput record --with-hidraw`. It includes the initial palm touches, followed by a one finger motion that was ignored or misinterpreted somewhere in the stack due to the prior palm touches, followed by a 6-finger touch on the touchpad, which reliably resets the tracking state since the touchpad only supports 5 fingers. 2) Why am I unable to get MT_TOOL_FINGER or MT_TOOL_PALM reports to show up anywhere? It seems like there is some kind of legacy emulation going on (converting finger tools to BTN_TOOL?), but I haven't figured out how or why this is happening. Happy to provide more info if necessary. Set of quirks I'm using: default (no issues except false touches) MT_QUIRK_ALWAYS_VALID | MT_QUIRK_CONTACT_CNT_ACCURATE palm-reject (rejects palm, but appears to hold slots for fingers that aren't there any more): MT_QUIRK_VALID_IS_CONFIDENCE | MT_QUIRK_CONTACT_CNT_ACCURATE use-tool (attempt to get "real" tools working - currently has the same effect as default): MT_QUIRK_CONFIDENCE | MT_QUIRK_CONTACT_CNT_ACCURATE Thanks, Jon Attachments follow: $ evtest /dev/input.event12 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x18 vendor 0x4f3 product 0x32c8 version 0x100 Input device name: "ELAN07CE:00 04F3:32C8 Touchpad" Supported events: Event type 0 (EV_SYN) Event type 1 (EV_KEY) Event code 272 (BTN_LEFT) Event code 325 (BTN_TOOL_FINGER) Event code 328 (BTN_TOOL_QUINTTAP) Event code 330 (BTN_TOUCH) Event code 333 (BTN_TOOL_DOUBLETAP) Event code 334 (BTN_TOOL_TRIPLETAP) Event code 335 (BTN_TOOL_QUADTAP) Event type 3 (EV_ABS) Event code 0 (ABS_X) Value 2470 Min 0 Max 4936 Resolution 31 Event code 1 (ABS_Y) Value 696 Min 0 Max 3045 Resolution 31 Event code 47 (ABS_MT_SLOT) Value 1 Min 0 Max 4 Event code 53 (ABS_MT_POSITION_X) Value 0 Min 0 Max 4936 Resolution 31 Event code 54 (ABS_MT_POSITION_Y) Value 0 Min 0 Max 3045 Resolution 31 Event code 57 (ABS_MT_TRACKING_ID) Value 0 Min 0 Max 65535 Event type 4 (EV_MSC) Event code 5 (MSC_TIMESTAMP) Properties: Property type 0 (INPUT_PROP_POINTER) Property type 2 (INPUT_PROP_BUTTONPAD)