From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Maarten de Boer Subject: Re: bug Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:05:53 +0200 Message-ID: <677D3730-B814-4E64-8746-12FE30C13C23@resorama.com> References: <1427551386.3092172.246393281.691C33A7@webmail.messagingengine.com> <5518F8F3.10304@ladisch.de> <1427711234.231499.246955417.6E2E7C65@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55192FBC.1070307@ladisch.de> <1427726222.1872206.247049189.3E3BB0F7@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1427792161.2150884.247436393.3D8D2571@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1427798995.588863.247475933.12C0B9B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (relay6-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.198]) by alsa0.perex.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B532617A4 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:06:02 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <1427798995.588863.247475933.12C0B9B0@webmail.messagingengine.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org Sender: alsa-devel-bounces@alsa-project.org To: "Nikita N." Cc: "alsa-devel@alsa-project.org" List-Id: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Hi, As I tried to explain, this is not specific for alsamixergui, and it is not= a bug, as it is a hardware problem. There is no way for the software to kn= ow what would be these =93hazardous=94 levels, as this is hardware specific= . And again, alsamixergui is just a graphical frontend. The command line al= samixer does the same thing. Maarten On 31 Mar 2015, at 12:49, Nikita N. wrote: > Dear Maarten de Boer, > as you read from many voices here, your software is verified can damage > the speakers, if not used somehow correctly. > The definition of correctly is still to us unknown, nor you are giving > us any hope in that. > We were hoping in some form of amend from yourself, about the dangerous > software you produced and distributed to public. > We were hoping in some form of bug fix or any professional approach to > solving that issue. > We were hoping at least in a simple warning popping up from your tool, > when user sets any "hazardous" levels. > We were hoping at least-least in a warning popping up from your tool at > runtime, something like "Warning: improper settings for this level, this > level and this might result in damages to your audio devices". > But, we only see a nice turnaround "There is not much that I can add". > Your program does not respect the minimum requirement for a software to > be published, such as being "reasonably" bug free. > As for "bug" is intended a software which is limited in creating > software problems. > While instead, your tool expands to a whole new, and more dangerous > level - hardware damage. > Hence your software, as is, doesn't respect our Debian/Ubuntu > philosophy. > So, at this point "There is not much that" we can add. > We also wish you "Good luck with that." > = > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 03:26 AM, Maarten de Boer wrote: >> Hello, >> = >> I am the author of alsamixergui. I am not actively maintaining >> alsamixergui anymore (and haven=92t been for years). It is pretty much >> coincidence that I saw this mail thread; a slightly more informative >> subject would have helped. >> = >> There is not much that I can add to this thread (thanks everyone for your >> replies), but in short: >> = >> - alsamixergui is just a graphical frontend, and exposes the mixer >> capabilities of the sound card in the same way alsamixer, amixer or any >> other alsa mixer does, so this is not alsamixergui specific. (strongly >> based on the alsamixer code (verbatim) with fltk gui code added to it.). >> = >> - this is not a software problem, this is a hardware problem. The user >> adjusts the mixer to cause a feedback between speaker and internal >> microphone, and leaves this running for >30 seconds, and his hardware >> can=92t deal with it. It is probably not even operating system specific. >> = >> Finally, I really don=92t like the tone you use, Nikita, particularly yo= ur >> talk of =93exposing the individuals guilty=94 and your accusations of >> secrecy. And "expose clearly to the public that tool as a virus/malware, >> and inform the antivirus authorities about it.=94, really? Good luck with >> that. >> = >> If you want to blacklist alsamixergui from your distro, please go ahead, >> but don=92t forget to blacklist alsamixer and amixer too, as well as any >> other alsa mixer front ends. >> = >> Maarten >> = >> = >> On 31 Mar 2015, at 11:14, Ricard Wanderlof >> wrote: >> = >>> = >>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2015, Nikita N. wrote: >>> = >>>>> alsamixergui is not created by the ALSA = >>>>> project, so this mailing list is the wrong place to look if none othe= r = >>>>> than for that particular reason. >>>> Sure, we would be very grateful if you could point that out, so we can >>>> contact the individual who programmed this tool >>>> Unless it's not a secret or there is smtng to hide. >>> = >>> I have no idea who wrote it, Clemens posted a link but at to me it seem= s = >>> dead, there should be something in the source code (perhaps that's wher= e = >>> he got it frome?). Could very well be that it was written by someone wh= o = >>> has since moved on to other things so that any links or email adresses = are = >>> outdated. It's not necessarily a secret, it could just be unknown at th= is = >>> point, and if the person who wrote it is not actively maintaining it an= y = >>> more there's probably little to be gained from contacting him. >>> = >>> /Ricard >>> -- = >>> Ricard Wolf Wanderl=F6f ricardw(at)axis.com >>> Axis Communications AB, Lund, Sweden www.axis.com >>> Phone +46 46 272 2016 Fax +46 46 13 61 30 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Alsa-devel mailing list >>> Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org >>> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel >> = > = > -- = > http://www.fastmail.com - Access all of your messages and folders > wherever you are > =